Management Bill Guerin
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Meh... Billy hasn't done anything yet to garner any praise at all at this point.
Fletcher at least got us to the 2nd round twice on a roster he actually built.
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Friedman said in his podcast today/yesterday that Guerin would move Dumba but he has to see a path to it making them beyyer this year. I think he means getting assets and then turning around and getting another guy. We’ve kinda talked about Chycrun, but I doubt he’d be able to pull that. If Dumba gets more than a 3rd in value I’d be relatively pumped.
He's not getting a first, for sure. But I'm not sure 2nd + is out of the question.
Fletcher also dumped picks/prospects for rentals and signed the contracts that are currently negatively impacting this team the most.
Guerin is going to need to get at least one difference maker out of Rossi, Khusnutdinov, Ohgren, Yurov, Walker, Beckman and Bankier. The blueline looks set and goaltending looks promising and we know Kaprizov, JEE & Boldy are a solid forward core. We just need some scoring depth and I think it’s more likely to come from the farm than in a trade or through FA.
Doesn't affect my point. Guerin hasn't even come close to putting together a core... he's still riding the previous 2 GMs successes.
I think Guerin gets way too much blind credit from most people because they like his decisive style, but I do think the organizational depth chart is proof his plan has at least some merit. We have a solid NHL team now with impact prospects at every position.
The core probably wasn’t going to win a Cup with Suter / Parise and they probably won’t win one now with the buyouts but at least every move Guerin has made has been with an eye on the future. The next few years will be fun as the 97/12/14/25/46 core is buttressed by all these excellent prospects.
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That goes without saying, which is why any GM gets fired. That again, doesn't affect my point.
He's already got some failures of his own here too...
At this point, the blue line has quantity,but we’re not sure how much quality. Hunt and ROR look ok….nothing more, nothing less. Peart hasn’t knocked me out when I’ve seen him. Faber gets lots of praise. He’s obviously a vg college Dman, but whether that will translate into a good NHL’er is anyone’s guess. I do not see a dominant college player in him…too bad Motzko doesn’t use him on the PP. Lambos I have only stat watched….seems to be tailing off after not making the WJC team.
Masters is putting up a ton of points…in junior.
Spacek had a nice WJC. Seemed like a good all round Dman at that level, which, IMO, is much higher than junior. Still very small sample size. He should make a good pro,but I didn’t see a standout quality that will enable him to thrive in the NHL.
What I like about our prospect pool is that we have a lot of names with at least some reason to believe that they may have talent. Still, we need more Centers. IMO we have two C’s on the team that we can count on for the next few years. JEE, a legit #2, and Dewar, a legit #4, with potential to be a #3. Steel is a mirage, and will be the answer to a trivia question years from now that no one will get when asked about #1C’s on the Wild. Hartman is an inconsistent bottom six W. Gaudreau will be gone to chase $$, I think. He’ll be 30 this spring, and has never made much, as a late bloomer.
Rossi, Marat, Bankier. I don’t see a #1C there, but you never know..
Masters is putting up a ton of points…in junior.
Spacek had a nice WJC. Seemed like a good all round Dman at that level, which, IMO, is much higher than junior. Still very small sample size. He should make a good pro,but I didn’t see a standout quality that will enable him to thrive in the NHL.
What I like about our prospect pool is that we have a lot of names with at least some reason to believe that they may have talent. Still, we need more Centers. IMO we have two C’s on the team that we can count on for the next few years. JEE, a legit #2, and Dewar, a legit #4, with potential to be a #3. Steel is a mirage, and will be the answer to a trivia question years from now that no one will get when asked about #1C’s on the Wild. Hartman is an inconsistent bottom six W. Gaudreau will be gone to chase $$, I think. He’ll be 30 this spring, and has never made much, as a late bloomer.
Rossi, Marat, Bankier. I don’t see a #1C there, but you never know..
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No, it needs to be said when you point out he's riding the coattails of people's successes.
Look at the roster, you can't credit him for building it. It's the counter point to others calling him the best GM we've had, when he's done pretty much nothing for it yet.
Trying to counter with why the other GMs were fired only goes to why he was hired, not defending the point I was countering.
So you’d like him to dismantle what we have and build his own group just to say he built the core?
He signed Kaprizov to his ELC and his long term contract. He re-signed Hartman to a steal. He signed Gaudreau. He re-signed Spurgeon. He re-signed Brodin. He signed Middleton. He signed Merill. He traded for Addison. He traded for both of our goaltenders. He just re-signed Boldy to a long term contract.
He’s made a lot of moves, including bolstering our prospect pool to top 10 status. Complaining that he’s kept the better players from the previous GMs is a weird flex.
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Fiala is a direct result of having to deal with the aftermath of Fletcher signing Parise/Suter. If Fiala is signed, Boldy is probably gone. Though, there are definitely ways that it could have worked (trading Greenway, Foligno, etc).
I do think Fenton gets viewed with rose colored glasses because of the Fiala trade and now the Zucc signing. But Coyle for Donato and Nino for Rask are truly bad trades.
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Disagree on Faber. He is more of a Brodin type who isn’t going to be a PP threat so that’s not a great way to judge. He heavily tilts play almost every shift
I think JEE is approaching 1C territory. We just employ him in a different way but that won’t last forever. If we went with Boldy-JEE-Kaprizov for a full season, we’d be looking at Roope Hintz at worst IMO.
Also Marat is having a sneaky good season in the KHL.
The unfortunate part is that they would be easier to replace than a ppg winger.
I’m still holding out hope that Guerin has some sort of plan to get a quality center. Maybe Rossi starts to blossom soon.
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I don't disagree, but if you sign that PPG winger and Boldy, you don't have much left over for a quality center. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
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Yeah, either way some people would be mad at him. The sad part is, some of those people would have been mad either way.
I think there's a decent amount of logic behind the people who'd rather just keep the bird in hand. Personally, I valued our ability to be flexible over keeping Fiala, as I don't see a team with three highly paid wingers and insufficient skill at center as being likely to win a Cup, so I'd rather keep the cap space to potentially deal with that issue. The downside of the approach is that you don't know if a sufficient center will become available or not. It really is damned if you do, damned if you don't, even from that standpoint.
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This becomes a solid argument when we get that quality center.
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He did very well to lock Boldy up long term at a very reasonable AAV. A bridge opens up the possibility for him to be a lot more expensive. Great signing.
