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He who laughs last thinks slowest
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Management Bill Guerin
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Grade his TDL:
In:
MAF (UFA)
Middleton (RFA)
Deslauries (UFA)
Jost (1X$2m Left)
Future Considerations
2022 2nd Round Pick - Originally Vancouver's pick, acquired from AZ
Out:
2022 - 2nd Round Pick - Ours
2022 - 5th Round Pick
Nico Sturm
Victor Rask
2023 - 3rd Round Pick
McBain
Kaapo Khakonnen
In:
MAF (UFA)
Middleton (RFA)
Deslauries (UFA)
Jost (1X$2m Left)
Future Considerations
2022 2nd Round Pick - Originally Vancouver's pick, acquired from AZ
Out:
2022 - 2nd Round Pick - Ours
2022 - 5th Round Pick
Nico Sturm
Victor Rask
2023 - 3rd Round Pick
McBain
Kaapo Khakonnen
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guitarhunterdude
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Still maintain he did better than I might have expected at the trade deadline... even if Fleury ended up being exactly who I thought he was.
Don't think he's a long-term solution, not confident he'll get good value as we sell assets going forward, don't think he'll survive the next three years.
Don't think he's a long-term solution, not confident he'll get good value as we sell assets going forward, don't think he'll survive the next three years.
Dr Jan Itor
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I still think it was fine, though incomplete because we still need to see what happens with Middleton.
I don't think he does the buyouts unless he knows he's going to survive the next 3 years.
guitarhunterdude
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I doubt whatever assurances he may have received from Leipold are legally binding, and I'm not confident that his performance over the next three years will be enough to save him, especially if/when Kaprizov demands a trade. There's a lot riding on amateur scouting/drafting, and none of this regime's work in that department has born fruit yet (other than some polite nods from the media). If that doesn't start to show some serious returns by end of 2024, he's done, I don't care what Leipold might've said a year ago.
BagHead
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B or B-, maybe.
- If you go back, you'll see I wasn't a fan of the MAF trade from the day it happened. That's where Guerin loses most of his marks from me. Traded a moderately high pick for a lateral move in net. HoF player? Yes, but those accolades are in his past.
- Middleton was good for us, better than I expected. I thought he'd be an ok #5-6 d-man, and he ended up in our top 4 and doing an ok, but not spectacular job at it.
- Deslauriers had his moments, but was exactly what I expected, physical but ineffective.
- Jost was also what I expected. A few good moments, normally underwhelming. I think Sturm is a more consistent player, but also not much better overall.
- Turning McBain from nothing into something was definitely good.
I'll let you know if/when he signs Middleton for a reasonable amount, as far as the TDL. Would prefer Sturm over Jost signed for 2M next year. I'm ok with D Lo in the right situation, at the right price.
MAF was useless, as far as i'm concerned. Performed worse than Talbot, and created a situation where we either have to re-sign him(BIG yuck), or deal with an unhappy/insulted Talbot next year.
Guerin's inability to convince McBain to sign here certainly isn't a positive. He seems to specialize in signing untalented or washed up vets(Merrill, goligoski, Benn, Kulikov, Fluery, dLO, MoJo, Bonino), and getting rid of or underusing young talent (Fiala, KK, McBain, Addison, Rossi)
I am not convinced that Guerin is very smart. Seems to know quite a few people in the game(probably from drinking beer with them), but always gives me the impression that he is a dumb jock who is in over his head, not a cunning, ruthless guy who's always one step ahead of the competition. At least he's not a complete jerk like Fenton, but that's a pretty low bar.
Guerin has set himself up for 3 years of hell, where we will be lucky to make the playoffs and win a series. He was gifted one great player(Kaprizov), and another really good one( Fiala), and seems to be intent on running Fiala off so he can keep clods like Greenway, Goligoski, and Fluery. I don't mention Hartman and Gaudreau, because, they are absolute bargains compared the their cap hit.
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BuiumSaveUs
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It's all hot air if we don't win, right? We lost in the 1st round with Suter and Parise(actually won, too, way back). What's the difference to me, as a fan? So now they have more fun in the dressing room?
Do-Nothing-Deano has to go.
No, this team doesn't have a good culture. It has an over-inflated ego. Look at the temper tantrums that were thrown when things weren't going well with this team. Cheap shots galore.
BuiumSaveUs
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It's a start, but I agree it doesn't mean shit if the results don't change. I think Billy would second that as well.
Dr Jan Itor
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Unless there is a really nice buy out clause, i don't see that happening.
I don't know that Trotz is the guy for this team with Kaprizov as their best player, but someone like him is needed. A guy who gets the best out of his players for at least a few seasons. He has won a Cup with WAS, gone to a Cup finals with NSH, and his teams tend to outperform their talent(NYI till this year, when they had a bizarre start to their season) if his GM doesn't saddle him with crap (LL).
I don't expect Guerin to do anything daring. He'll;
- trade Fiala for a mediocre return. Press will then leak what a bad guy he was, and what a problem in the dressing room.
- trade on dman
- say' You know what?" a hundred times, and ""there's a plan" fifty times.
This guy is no Sam Pollock.
Spurgeon
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Bad, in my opinion. I don't mind the net value value of what went in and what went out, but I think the DLo and MAF acquisitions altered what could have been a playoff series win in another timeline. I'm also worried about the long-term outlook on the team. Kahkonen would have been a cheap re-sign IMO & now our goaltending situation is completely questionable. Talbot is pissed off & he should be. Guerin is probably looking at bringing back MAF too so who knows what that's going to cost.
ELITE:
Rask for Future Considerations
GOOD:
Jost for Sturm
2nd for McBain
MEH:
Middleton -- I really don't think he's as good as people have hyped him up to be. I'm worried BG is going to overpay on a long-term deal for what should be a 3rd pairing defenseman. We overpaid sending Kahkonen + 5th too & Talbot should have been the goalie we looked at trading instead if we were still going to sit him in the playoffs after going 13-0-3 to end the season.
BAD:
DLo -- He had a negative impact on this team and we gave up a 3rd for him. He made the 4th line useless in the playoffs. Dewar/Bjugstad should have played the entire series instead.
MAF -- Lost a 2nd for a guy that did absolutely nothing for us. Talbot would have performed better than him & our defense was much more accustomed to playing the style of game that Talbot tended.
Yeah, I can't see BG bringing MAF back. I'd eat my hat if that happens. He's probably going back to the Penguins for his final year. God forbid he looks in the Avs' direction.
Guerin is going to have to suck up to Talbot and get us a cheap backup.
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I keep going back to the Goligoski extension. The idea of a possible handshake deal with him (and maybe Fluery) seems so unacceptable. Now we have a guy who’s making significant money for a couple years when Addison could probably do the same or a better job, and we will probably never know. I’d rather have a sub 1m player like Benn ride the bench than an old AG. They better draft and trade well this summer. Just feels like more mediocrity ahead.
Yeah, i found it really depressing when i heard that not only had he re-signed him(Russo had opined days before that he thought AG wouldn't be), but he was signed for TWO more years.
I am not confident that this team is in good hands.
