My gosh, some of you are in your feeling. It's obvious there's one thing said in public, and another behind close doors. They need Minnesota to be competitive to sell tickets, but it's obvious they aren't trying to get full out win
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My gosh, some of you are in your feeling. It's obvious there's one thing said in public, and another behind close doors. They need Minnesota to be competitive to sell tickets, but it's obvious they aren't trying to get full out win
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I do think there’s some good and bad. I’ll give Guerin credit for drafting well and making some good trades. Overall, I see his long-term vision for the team. I do, however, think he’s managed the cap poorly, largely in part to not being a great contract negotiated / player evaluator. When it comes to drafting, he identifies it’s not a strength of his and delegates. Too bad he can’t the team management portion because, well that’s his whole job. I believe he knows what a winning team looks and feels like, I just don’t trust that he is capable of putting the pieces in place to reach that point.
The prices for center were pretty low this summer. They definitely thought that Gaudreau was better, especially since he had played with Fiala in the past.
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so a 1st, and a 2nd for dvorak is low?!
a 1st and a prospect for reinhart was low?!
with bargains like that we shoulve traded for mcdavid
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so a 1st, and a 2nd for dvorak is low?!
a 1st and a prospect for reinhart was low?!
with bargains like that we shoulve traded for mcdavid
The 32nd pick and a 7th round goalie? Yes, that should have been matched or exceeded.
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i dont think reinhart is worth that imo. Hes not a true center, his faceoffs suck, and hes bad defensively. Ya hes been okay points wise on a terrible team, but thats about it.
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Or we just recognize that we've been watching an extremely flawed team.
No one said they aren't flawed. You aren't seeing something the rest of us aren't. We just aren't losing our damn minds about the center position.
And round and round and round we go again....
DeagleJenkins
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A team that only scores one fewer goal and has significantly fewer turnovers?
It's a joke, relax.
guitarhunterdude
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Slightly worse and significantly more boring
GuerinUp
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optimistically: with a 1c
pessimistically: with a few more prospects
realistically: with a few more picks
sadistically: with more victor rasks of this world
so a 1st, and a 2nd for dvorak is low?!
a 1st and a prospect for reinhart was low?!
with bargains like that we shoulve traded for mcdavid
The 1st is probably going to be in the 20s-30s, so yes low. You are hoping that the prospect you draft in the later half of the first round has a career like Dvorak.
Also Reinhart was a low first round and a redundant prospect (they had Knight, so they didn't need the goaltender they picked in the 7th).
As it stands, Minnesota keeps standing still when other teams are picking up centers.
This team has never had a franchise center, and only for a brief time two top 6 centers that were significantly aging. The problem is, in the NHL you need to have at least one - if not two - really, really good to elite centers to do anything.
Again, no one is arguing that. But I don't care that the team has never had one when it comes to discussing Guerin's performance. What previous GM's did or didn't do has no bearing on him for me. Some of you seem to project that "OMG we've never had a true #1!" onto Guerin like he's at fault for all of it. I'm fully expecting not to get a true franchise center via trade because it just doesn't happen very often. And if you are here clamoring for a franchise center...don't come back saying he should have made deals for Dvorak or Reinhart...because they aren't franchise centers.
We need centers, no one disputes that. But whenever ANY center comes up as a possible trade target...this board loses its mind when he doesn't come here.
We're going to have to draft one, so that means winning the lottery in most cases.
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No one is projecting anything; Guerin himself has mentioned when coming here that Minnesota's biggest priority was to get a center and yet he has do nothing at that position since coming here. Signing Guadreau and grabbing Pitlick off waivers is his way of fixing it? He's also said no to Monahan. He waited until the third round last year to pick up a possible center, with knowledge that his 2020 pick sat out due to an injury and that the other center pick is playing wing and could be Granlund player. He also sat on his heels when a bunch of centers were traded or moved last year and this year. Most fans were okay with 2020, but going into the 2021 off-season a lot of us had bigger expectations than ... uh Gaudreau and...uh... who else did we sign?
As mentioned really, really good centers (look at Montreal last season). This isn't a franchise center or bust situation. I mean look at Sam Bennett. He's revitalized his career in Florida. Reinhart isn't doing too bad either.
Because a) the trade offer is really small and why didn't Minnesota put together a package or b) because the team isn't linked at all to a possible trade. We need centers, yet there is zero activity on Minnesota's front of shoring up that position.
Hahahahaha - when was the last time Minnesota drafted in the top 5? 16 years ago? You think this team is going to be drafting in the top 5? Unless Leipold keels over, Guerin has made it his point that he thinks this team is competitive and that he expects them to be.
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I have said for months now, that if he wants a GOOD center aquisition this season is the better season to do it. Much better names are on expiring deals this year, that will fit our rebuild better. yes some will or have been signed to extensions, but there is still much more talent in this years expiring players.
malkin
pavelski
giroux
etc.
be patient
If you had big expectations, that's on you. I'm firmly in the camp of having to weather the cap issue before we can truly "buy" a franchise center or even a really really good one to use your term simply because the cap isn't going to be there until the buyouts are done.
If you think those offers were small, especially with our cap issues, then you are not understanding how much we are going to have use ELC's which means 1st round draft picks are at a premium for us. We can't afford to deal them for "really good" centers right now.
As for your last sentence...you've just proved my point on why I'm not losing my mind over the center issue and why I don't expect it to be fixed any time soon.
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GuerinUp
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youre not going to be able to afford prime centers the next 3 years. so your best chance at having a good center is finding vets that are willing to sign short term contracts that arent 9mil a year.
I appreciate the limitations that Guerin's been faced with thus far. Building a team through the draft is a respectable way to do things, and it's a difficult route to take with the contract situation he inherited. I can also appreciate that the business side of things probably makes letting the team bottom out a riskier bet than it might seem right now, which also complicates things. I don't really like the way he's handled things, but I understand the challenges.
The bottom line hit me in the run-up to the season opener though. I sat down to try to figure out what combination of services I needed to invoke to actually watch Wild games in south-central Wisconsin this year, got about 10 minutes into it and realized that, at this point, following this team feels like homework. We all more or less know what's going to happen this season, because the roster is built to do what it does every season. There are no stakes and no risk of surprise. It'd be tuning in for the opportunity to witness the 15th Annual Wild First Round Exit or Near Playoff Miss.
I don't know how you grade it, but right now Guerin's team plays on the radio in the background while I read a book or do the dishes or whatever. I guess there's always next year.
The bottom line hit me in the run-up to the season opener though. I sat down to try to figure out what combination of services I needed to invoke to actually watch Wild games in south-central Wisconsin this year, got about 10 minutes into it and realized that, at this point, following this team feels like homework. We all more or less know what's going to happen this season, because the roster is built to do what it does every season. There are no stakes and no risk of surprise. It'd be tuning in for the opportunity to witness the 15th Annual Wild First Round Exit or Near Playoff Miss.
I don't know how you grade it, but right now Guerin's team plays on the radio in the background while I read a book or do the dishes or whatever. I guess there's always next year.
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Are you under the impression that these guys are going to sign for ~3M like Staal did?
