Management Bill Guerin

[AKL]

It's a better chance they will vs guys like Reinhart, Dvorak or Eichel.

Joe Pavelski signed with Dallas at age 35 for 7M per year. Maybe 38 year old Pavelski signs for less than 7M. Why on earth would Malkin or Giroux sign for anything less than 7 here? Both can easily get that in free agency if they decide to leave their current team.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I have said for months now, that if he wants a GOOD center aquisition this season is the better season to do it. Much better names are on expiring deals this year, that will fit our rebuild better. yes some will or have been signed to extensions, but there is still much more talent in this years expiring players.

malkin
pavelski
giroux
etc.

be patient

Bwhahahah, your solution is to sign an old veteran (and one who has injury concerns) as what? To kick the can down the road the year after?

At this point, I think Minnesota fans are getting fed up of the always next year motto that this team seems to have taken in the past 10 years.

"Just wait until next year, it'll get better..."

Next year comes around

"You need to temper your expectations - next year will be better..."

 

[GuerinUp]

Are you under the impression that these guys are going to sign for ~3M like Staal did?

no, im under the impression theyd sign around 5.5-7.5 on short term deals depending on the player. yes other moves would need to be made depending on the contract given.

 

[57special]

The 32nd pick and a 7th round goalie? Yes, that should have been matched or exceeded.

No strong opinion on Reinhart as a C, but I think that everyone forgets that FLA also took Reinhart's cap hit (5.2M), sending nothing back(Levi could be waived or play in the AHL). That has value.

100% agree that Guerin has been either sitting on his ass, or swinging and missing as guys like Reinhart, Dvorak, Bennett, and Trochek have switched teams. Fully prepared for Eichel to be moved to some other team for a relative pittance.

 

[AKL]

no, im under the impression theyd sign around 5.5-7.5 on short term deals depending on the player. yes other moves would need to be made depending on the contract given.

Great, so you got your center. To what end? Is the team actually any better, or do we just finally have a center?
This is why Guerin's not trying that hard to get a center. Because it doesn't matter for the next 3.5 years.

Be patient.

 

[GuerinUp]

Bwhahahah, your solution is to sign an old veteran (and one who has injury concerns) as what? To kick the can down the road the year after?

At this point, I think Minnesota fans are getting fed up of the always next year motto that this team seems to have taken in the past 10 years.

"Just wait until next year, it'll get better..."

Next year comes around

"You need to temper your expectations - next year will be better..."

they were examples, i never said sign malkin. But i would if the price and term are right. Free agents dont cost anything except cap. as far as kicking the can down the road year after year, youre mistaken if you can do anything but until the buyouts are gone.

Great, so you got your center. To what end? Is the team actually any better, or do we just finally have a center?
This is why Guerin's not trying that hard to get a center. Because it doesn't matter for the next 3.5 years.

Be patient.

thats exactly why im saying get one in free agency....

it wont cost us prospects or picks.

 

[AKL]

thats exactly why im saying get one in free agency....

it wont cost us prospects or picks.

That's what he's doing. Why do you think Gaudreau is here? You don't think if he could sign a guy like Malkin to Gaudreau's contract he would?

 

[GuerinUp]

That's what he's doing. Why do you think Gaudreau is here? You don't think if he could sign a guy like Malkin to Gaudreau's contract he would?

what are you getting at? I have been saying this whole time to be patient and see who hits free agency and what kind of term, contract we can fit in. Im not sitting here saying "DO SOMETHING" Im saying either trade for eichel and go for it. or ride it out and see if you can get a good vet that fits the timeline. Thats it.

Dont trade assets for middling players.

If a potential home run arises at a discount (ie eichel) and it wont kill the prospect pool, do it, otherwise ride it out and see what happens and take a swing once the buyouts end.

the only reason i have entertained the eichel deal is because the type of player hed be if he healed correctly.

 

[Ban Hammered]

Joe Pavelski signed with Dallas at age 35 for 7M per year. Maybe 38 year old Pavelski signs for less than 7M. Why on earth would Malkin or Giroux sign for anything less than 7 here? Both can easily get that in free agency if they decide to leave their current team.

I'm not saying they will, I said it's a better chance a guy on his last deal does it than a guy in his mid 20's.

 

[AKL]

what are you getting at? I have been saying this whole time to be patient and see who hits free agency and what kind of term, contract we can fit in. Im not sitting here saying "DO SOMETHING" Im saying either trade for eichel and go for it. or ride it out and see if you can get a good vet that fits the timeline. Thats it.

Dont trade assets for middling players.

If a potential home run arises at a discount (ie eichel) and it wont kill the prospect pool, do it, otherwise ride it out and see what happens and take a swing once the buyouts end.

the only reason i have entertained the eichel deal is because the type of player hed be if he healed correctly.

Your entire post history is a monologue about getting better centers and just the other day you proposed trading Addison and Rask for Malkin.

 

[GuerinUp]

Your entire post history is a monologue about getting better centers and just the other day you proposed trading Addison and Rask for Malkin.

ya, malkin retained 50% for a player that is garbage and a prospect that barely sees nhl time, probably will have a worse career than dumba, and wasnt even our pick to begin with.... what is your point?

That trade literally doesnt hurt us in any way.

 

[57special]

If we wait till the buyouts (mainly) end, that will have been six years on Guerin's watch with nothing to show for it, unless we have Michkov waiting to come over in 2026.

Do Leipold, and the fans, have that much patience? Six years is a long time.

 

[AKL]

ya, malkin retained 50% for a player that is garbage and a prospect that barely sees nhl time, probably will have a worse career than dumba, and wasnt even our pick to begin with.... what is your point?

That trade literally doesnt hurt us in any way.

I can't tell if this is one long running joke that I'm not seeing or if you're serious.

If we wait till the buyouts (mainly) end, that will have been six years on Guerin's watch with nothing to show for it, unless we have Michkov waiting to come over in 2026.

Do Leipold, and the fans, have that much patience? Six years is a long time.

Leipold and the fans not having the patience to wait a few more years is why the last 15 years (when the buyouts end) have been the way they have.

 

[GuerinUp]

I can't tell if this is one long running joke that I'm not seeing or if you're serious.

you think addison, a player that cant beat benn or merrill out of training camp, will have a better career than dumba?

 

[AKL]

you think addison, a player that cant beat benn or merrill out of training camp, will have a better career than dumba?

Yeah still can't tell

 

[GuerinUp]

Yeah still can't tell

i think hes too small and too weak on the boards to be a full timer. But i could be wrong and he could fill out. He does have some good powerplay ability to him, im just not sure he can develop enough defensively to not be a liability.

That being said, the proposal for malkin was tongue in cheek, it would never happen, and only reason i brought it up was it was an even cap move if it did happen with minimal going out. And id only do that if the team was looking better than they have been and looked like they could do some damage in the playoffs if they had a malkin on the team.

all that being said, i think having a player that excels in playmaking like malkin might be a good compliment to kap, BUT i wouldnt want to give anything of value to aquire that experiment. hence the wait till free agency comment.

 

[Bazeek]

If we wait till the buyouts (mainly) end, that will have been six years on Guerin's watch with nothing to show for it, unless we have Michkov waiting to come over in 2026.

Do Leipold, and the fans, have that much patience? Six years is a long time.

Patience is fine, but it does raise the question of what exactly fans are being patient for. From what we've seen, it probably isn't Michkov.

 

[AKL]

i think hes too small and too weak on the boards to be a full timer. But i could be wrong and he could fill out. He does have some good powerplay ability to him, im just not sure he can develop enough defensively to not be a liability.

That being said, the proposal for malkin was tongue in cheek, it would never happen, and only reason i brought it up was it was an even cap move if it did happen with minimal going out. And id only do that if the team was looking better than they have been and looked like they could do some damage in the playoffs if they had a malkin on the team.

all that being said, i think having a player that excels in playmaking like malkin might be a good compliment to kap, BUT i wouldnt want to give anything of value to aquire that experiment. hence the wait till free agency comment.

So it was tongue in cheek, but if the team was better you would actually want to do it, so it wasn't tongue in cheek, and you are serious.

Let me run some of these by you and see what you think.

Rossi, Beckman and Boldy couldn't beat out Pitlick, Gaudreau and Rask, so do you really think they'll have better careers than Greenway, Zucker and Granlund?
If the team was better, we should trade them for Getzlaf, Stastny and Spezza.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

you think addison, a player that cant beat benn or merrill out of training camp, will have a better career than dumba?

You won't give up a late first and a 7th rounder for Reinhart but you'll trade a 21YO 2nd round RHD for a 35 YO whose coming off a 2nd major right knee surgery?

 

[GuerinUp]

So it was tongue in cheek, but if the team was better you would actually want to do it, so it wasn't tongue in cheek, and you are serious.

Let me run some of these by you and see what you think.

Rossi, Beckman and Boldy couldn't beat out Pitlick, Gaudreau and Rask, so do you really think they'll have better careers than Greenway, Zucker and Granlund?
If the team was better, we should trade them for Getzlaf, Stastny and Spezza.

rossi beckman and boldy havent spent multiple seasons in the AHL...

 

[AKL]

rossi beckman and boldy havent spent multiple seasons in the AHL...

Neither has Calen Addison. He has 20 more career AHL games than Boldy does. And he's a defensemen.

 

[GuerinUp]

You won't give up a late first and a 7th rounder for Reinhart but you'll trade a 21YO 2nd round RHD for a 35 YO whose coming off a 2nd major right knee surgery?

are you implying reinhart is as good of a player as malkin?

and youre ignoring the fact that the malkin trade was for near even salary cap, where as the reinhart trade was a -5.2 milion

Neither has Calen Addison. He has 20 more career AHL games than Boldy does. And he's a defensemen.

that is my mistake and i will take 100% responsibility for it, i for some reason had thought he played an entire season in the ahl with wilkes barre

 

[57special]

you think addison, a player that cant beat benn or merrill out of training camp, will have a better career than dumba?

The fact that Addison isn't (or wasn't ) on the team has nothing to do with whether he is better than Benn or Merrill, IMO. That's part of my problem with Guerin. His assessment of talent. Pitlick was a guy who was literally handed a job without ever playing in camp, while Beckman, who clearly earned a spot was sent down.

I get it if Guerin wants them to get a ton of prime minutes down in the AHL with the puck on their stick, but at some point there has to be a meritocracy, or players start to question authority.

 

[thestonedkoala]

No strong opinion on Reinhart as a C, but I think that everyone forgets that FLA also took Reinhart's cap hit (5.2M), sending nothing back(Levi could be waived or play in the AHL). That has value.

100% agree that Guerin has been either sitting on his ass, or swinging and missing as guys like Reinhart, Dvorak, Bennett, and Trochek have switched teams. Fully prepared for Eichel to be moved to some other team for a relative pittance.

Reinhart was also a RFA.

Even minor guys like Wennberg, Suter, and Granlund have signed.

Gaudette was also traded. It's amazing how many trades have happened for centers that Minnesota had zero interest in.

 

[57special]

Patience is fine, but it does raise the question of what exactly fans are being patient for. From what we've seen, it probably isn't Michkov.

No offense, but it's pretty sad when the high points of my Wild fan existence are one of your posts.