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Biggest problem with Gallant-led team: we struggle way too much to score 5v5

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JMan74

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Probably the largest problem we saw most of last season and the first portion of this season still remains. We simply have to labor way too much with all this talent to score points 5v5. This was also magnified in the playoffs. Gallant seems to be the opposite of Quinn. If there was one thing Quinn did fairly well was get this team scoring goals. Problem was his teams werent good at much else. Gallants teams for the most part compete really hard, are intense and play great on the PP, but man the 5 on 5 stuff just doesn't generate enough goals.
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Well....unless we get closer to the net our scoring chances will just remain missed chances . If you want more goals then you need to pay a price . Guys with air tight deals and big dollars playing in NYC seldom play that style . Gallant has been dealt a bad hand . If he calls out these guys....then he runs the risk of them tuning him out even more .
 
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SA16 said:
We don't struggle at 5v5. You know who else isn't scoring at 5v5? Toronto, Colorado, Minnesota. They were 3,6,2 last year. In the span of one year did they all go from among the best 5v5 scoring teams to the worst? Or is it that they are all just shooting under 7.5% now?
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SA if this was just the early portion of this year that would be one thing. It isnt...we labored quite a bit to score even strength last year and in the playoffs too.
 
did you catch vally tonight? Rangers lead the league in quality scoring chances. So other than gallant going out there and scoring himself it’s hard to say the coach’s system doesn’t work. These guys need to finish. You can’t coach that.

Not shots. We lead the league in quality chances. That’s big.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
did you catch vally tonight? Rangers lead the league in quality scoring chances. So other than gallant going out there and scoring himself it’s hard to say the coach’s system doesn’t work. These guys need to finish. You can’t coach that.

Not shots. We lead the league in quality chances. That’s big.
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Yeah I don't even know what you change. It's not just "they're shooting the puck a lot but not creating quality chances!" because they certainly are, things just aren't going in for them. It's not even "well they're not close enough to the net!" because they create those chances too.

Just kind of weird and frustrating. This is a lot different than last years 5v5 struggles which were mainly about not generating shots and chances at all.

TBH I think the players and Gallant just need to play through it and not worry about trying to switch things up. Just go out every night and try to get as many scoring chances as you can and not give many up. Don't get fancy and start thinking "oh well maybe if we just stop shooting and try to pass the puck into the net it'llw ork!" because it won't
 
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Levitate said:
Yeah I don't even know what you change. It's not just "they're shooting the puck a lot but not creating quality chances!" because they certainly are, things just aren't going in for them. It's not even "well they're not close enough to the net!" because they create those chances too.

Just kind of weird and frustrating. This is a lot different than last years 5v5 struggles which were mainly about not generating shots and chances at all.

TBH I think the players and Gallant just need to play through it and not worry about trying to switch things up. Just go out every night and try to get as many scoring chances as you can and not give many up. Don't get fancy and start thinking "oh well maybe if we just stop shooting and try to pass the puck into the net it'llw ork!" because it won't
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Yes it is different. Very true. They are generating more chances and quality ones at that. But the result strangely remains the same. The puck does not nearly go in the net often enough. Maybe its just one of those unexplainable things.
 
JMan74 said:
5v5 Goals Rankings:


Quinn

19-20: 11th

20-21: 9th


Gallant

‘21-‘22: 19th

‘22-‘23: 22nd
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Deceptive - can we go to the XG models? The Rangers are generating A LOT more chances this year than any Gallant or Quinn year previous. The problem this year is finishing, luck, and crossbars/posts. The Rangers need to stay the course and ramp up the shooting percentage. It'll come. The Kreider/Zib/Vesey line was an absolute force in the 3rd period vs. SJ and Trocheck's line wasn't far behind.

The Rangers are 5th in CF%

The Rangers are 5th in XGF

Last year's Rangers were 25th in CF%

Last year's Rangers were 27th in XGF

It'll come.
 
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The New Russian Five said:
The problem is this team doesn't have enough Frank Vatrano like players. Players who might not do much else, but can really rip the puck and with precision. Sure Zbad has a great shot, but unlike Vatrano he needs an extra second and some space to load up. Rangers need a player or 2 who is a pure goal scorer.
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tarasenko?
 
JMan74 said:
Yes it is different. Very true. They are generating more chances and quality ones at that. But the result strangely remains the same. The puck does not nearly go in the net often enough. Maybe its just one of those unexplainable things.
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A few factors, I think.

1. They don't fight hard enough in the dirty areas. When a shot gets on net and there is a juicy rebound, they're not exactly where they need to be to pot the rebound. Maybe the guy is turned partly around and can't get a good stick on it, maybe the guy doesn't have great body position at all and is boxed off. Goal scorers who have a nose for the net will naturally find themselves in position on rebounds and body off defenders to get to the puck first.

2. When it's just the player and goaltender 1 on 1, it's a chest snipe. Failing to lift the puck, or missing wide when trying to pick a corner. Pure and simple shooting inaccuracy or maybe trying too hard to make a perfect shot. Lost confidence in own shooting ability. When you're not confident, you hesitate or you try too hard to pick a spot or you pass it off and it looks good because you're being "unselfish."

3. Just bad puck luck. Like the Trocheck blocking a shot from his teammate while trying to avoid goalie interference and opposing players getting in the way of shots into otherwise open nets with the opposing goalie down and out.

4. Guys getting held or interfered with on sure-goal situations. This is real. Other teams get away with a ton of crap done to our players. Some do get called and we get the ensuing power play, but those are the "good penalties to take" by the other team to save a goal.
 
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haohmaru said:
Deceptive - can we go to the XG models? The Rangers are generating A LOT more chances this year than any Gallant or Quinn year previous. The problem this year is finishing, luck, and crossbars/posts. The Rangers need to stay the course and ramp up the shooting percentage. It'll come. The Kreider/Zib/Vesey line was an absolute force in the 3rd period vs. SJ and Trocheck's line wasn't far behind.

The Rangers are 5th in CF%

The Rangers are 5th in XGF

Last year's Rangers were 25th in CF%

Last year's Rangers were 27th in XGF

It'll come.
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Will it?

I've said before. Last years winning was 'unsustainable' as put by some.

This years 'bad luck' is 'unsustainable'.

There's possibly a growing theme here. We do the unsustainable.
 
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The struggle is putting the puck in the net. We're around 8th in high danger scoring chances and 3rd in medium danger chances. (something like that). The struggle isn't generating the chances. The struggle is finishing. You can talk about the coach and believe me he has his flaws, but at the end of the day if your team can convert those chances, how much of that is really on the coach?

I don't have the numbers for quality follow-up chances as I'm sure those don't favor us that well, but again, you have to finish.
 
Unless high danger chances accounts for slot traffic, it's an incomplete stat. A shot in a high danger area when the defense is still set in it's structure isn't the same as one when a defense is scrambling.

You can get a team out of their structure in a lot of ways, passing , speed, pick plays, but the simplest and most effective is taking space in the slot in time for a shot on goal. Without that it's infinitely easier to save a shot, kick a rebound out, etc.

They need to take ownership of the tough areas or it's all smoke and mirrors. Same as it ever was.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
did you catch vally tonight? Rangers lead the league in quality scoring chances. So other than gallant going out there and scoring himself it’s hard to say the coach’s system doesn’t work. These guys need to finish. You can’t coach that.

Not shots. We lead the league in quality chances. That’s big.
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People simply refuse to accept that shooting percentage can be highly variable. I’ve posted the heatmap of their shot attempts multiple times in different threads- in front of the opposing goalie is redder than a baboon’s ass. They’re getting a ton of quality chances. Changing the process would be silly.
 
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Our elite goal scoring 1C has scored even strength goals in 1 game this season.

He does not look like himself right now. He's received a lot of glorious chances or would be chances but he flubs it way too much
 
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change up the lines...

Give me..

Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Trochek Goat
Krieder Chytl Vesey
Blais Carpenter(ugh)

Spread the kids and the vets out. The kids know to go to the net and shoot. Zibby shoot, laffy passes, kakko along the boards

2nd line panarin needs trochek bc bread just isnt great on D, and i love goats game, give him a chance to put ito together.

3rd line, Krieder and Chytl have great chemistry together when they play together. Both vesey and chytl will shoot, krieder at the net.

also split up PP 1 and pp2, play them equal amount of time. PP1 only looks for zibs to shoot. everything else is on the outside and passes. teams know to wait and we will make a dumb pass.

Get laffy chtyl wth krieder and bread zibs kakko.. whatever../.
 
Pass me the copium that's obviously permeating. Good teams bury their chances. We do not because we're soft. We might be generating a ton of chances but that's because we're a bunch of pass happy softies who don't win the dirty areas. We're obviously talented at passing the puck and finding the open man. The good teams have players who go to the net determined and have a nose for rebounds and are hard to body or wall off. We have players that are easy to wall off and players who rush and chest snipe when they feel the slightest amount of heat, who do not like body contact.
 
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haohmaru said:
Deceptive - can we go to the XG models? The Rangers are generating A LOT more chances this year than any Gallant or Quinn year previous. The problem this year is finishing, luck, and crossbars/posts. The Rangers need to stay the course and ramp up the shooting percentage. It'll come. The Kreider/Zib/Vesey line was an absolute force in the 3rd period vs. SJ and Trocheck's line wasn't far behind.

The Rangers are 5th in CF%

The Rangers are 5th in XGF

Last year's Rangers were 25th in CF%

Last year's Rangers were 27th in XGF

It'll come.
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When will it come? When we are struggling to make the playoffs in march? We are already 1/4th through the season.
 
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