Bettman meeting with Ryan Smith, owner of Utah Jazz and Real Salt Lake (upd: Smith asks NHL to open expansion process)

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Well, things get old and outdated. I don't see anything "wrong" with what Salt Lake is doing...

SLC built venues systematically through the decade while bidding on the 1998 and 2002 Olympics. Now they're looking to do it again.

The important thing is to have actual uses for what you build beyond just the Olympics. Which SLC did great at last time:

Salt Lake Ice Center > aka Vivint Arena for Utah Jazz
Maverik Center > Utah Grizzlies
Peaks Ice Arena > Utah Valley University, BYU club, USPHL hockey.
Ice Sheet at Ogden > Weber St hockey, USPHL tema, junior hockey
Olympic Oval > US Speedskating HQ
Salt Palace > New Convention Center
Olympic Village > University of Utah dorms
There’s a tangential curiosity I have… that the IOC has 2032 Brisbane set, but are apparently begging the USOC for Salt Lake 2030 while USOC (citing 2028 LA) is begging 2034. Eh, kill the Olympics.

But to be more realistic…

(1) If you have a Salt Lake ballpark that will undoubtably have < 40,000 seats, while Rice-Eccles Stadium just had some expansion and renovations pushing capacity over 51,000 plus standing room (I was in the stadium record crowd last October), is the ballpark really going to be part of this discussion?

(2) If Vivint is replaced, will the Olympics be Maverik Arena’s swan song?

(3) The Peaks is more Resort-ish rec center than arena… most of the seating was temporary bleachers set over the indoor soccer rink. At the same time, Utah Valley had built an arena that hosts their basketball program, and could have hosted hockey in 2002. Maybe that arena gets used this time.

(4) The Oval has tried to host a bunch of sports, and none of those have worked for long. No permanent seating there (bleachers used for 2002 and most certainly will do that again, right?).

(5) How about varsity hockey at Utah Valley? Or the U? One doesn’t have a facility yet. Don’t want to speculate on BYU.
 

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It seems to me like an apparent double whammy to want to get a new arena built. Hey, you love the Jazz, and we're offering a new NHL team to boot, and it wouldn't hurt to have a new centerpiece for a future olympics. Public monies, please.

That's exactly it. The window of opportunity is open because of the Olympic bid.

There's a lot of wrong ways to do things, and very few right ways to do things. But it makes very little sense to waste $800 million on an arena for one billionaire to play one sport in 41 times a year.

If you're going to invest billions in sports facilities, TRIPLING UP with a new NBA/NHL arena, NHL team, AHL Arena in the area, AHL team and those buildings serving the Winter Olympics is good "bang for your buck."

There’s a tangential curiosity I have… that the IOC has 2032 Brisbane set, but are apparently begging the USOC for Salt Lake 2030 while USOC (citing 2028 LA) is begging 2034. Eh, kill the Olympics.

But to be more realistic…

(1) If you have a Salt Lake ballpark that will undoubtably have < 40,000 seats, while Rice-Eccles Stadium just had some expansion and renovations pushing capacity over 51,000 plus standing room (I was in the stadium record crowd last October), is the ballpark really going to be part of this discussion?

(2) If Vivint is replaced, will the Olympics be Maverik Arena’s swan song?

(3) The Peaks is more Resort-ish rec center than arena… most of the seating was temporary bleachers set over the indoor soccer rink. At the same time, Utah Valley had built an arena that hosts their basketball program, and could have hosted hockey in 2002. Maybe that arena gets used this time.

(4) The Oval has tried to host a bunch of sports, and none of those have worked for long. No permanent seating there (bleachers used for 2002 and most certainly will do that again, right?).

(5) How about varsity hockey at Utah Valley? Or the U? One doesn’t have a facility yet. Don’t want to speculate on BYU.

Well, the thing is, the Olympics need a lot of venues, and the challenge for cities that want to host is building venues for tens or hundreds of millions and then having them be USEFUL within the community for 30 years. We've seen time and time again, the countries who spend BILLIONS on the Olympics or World Cup and then the facilities built for them just rot.

SLC is looking to maximize bang for their buck, and I would think that what specifically happens to Vivint and Maverik are really dependent on how receptive pro sports leagues are.

If they can design a new NBA/NHL/Olympic arena that's really expensive and nice because they know an NHL team is coming... then they have tons of options for what to do with Vivint and Maverik in terms of renovating them for the Olympics and future use; planning on an AHL team in the area (like Provo), that kind of thing.

It's combining the facility needs of the Olympics with local sports teams.


Quite honestly, I wouldn't be too excited about Salt Lake trying to get an NHL team on its own; but seeing a city trying to be the smartest they can be with facilities and sports actually makes me kind of root for them to pull it off.
 

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Yeah interesting indeed that a prospective owner would be speaking to the media and one of the major media partners for that matter

Even when speculated preference of expansion or relocation...they put 'hint hint' after the later.

May be interesting months ahead on this front
 
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I’m listening to this now and yeah I think we can pencil this one in. Seems like a pretty engaging person. He’s on a full-on campaign here.
 

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Just finished listening and it seemed to make a really strong impression on Friedman. And not in a "I like this guy/don't like this guy" way but more of a "this guy's going to own a NHL team soon one way or the other" kinda way.

(But I mean...that and a metro card gets you a ride on a subway so whaddo I know?...)
 

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They'd be a prime candidate to go with the state name, I'd think. Like the Jazz, Avs and Rockies.
Utah sounds too short, but SLC is too long.

Very few teams go with the state.

Colorado - Avs and Rockies
Arizona - Coyotes and Cardinals and Diamondbacks
Florida - Panthers (Marlins too until they got their stadium and changed it)
Carolina - Panthers and Hurricanes
New Jersey - Devils and Nets before
New England - Patriots more region than state
Utah - Jazz
Texas - Rangers
 

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Utah sounds too short, but SLC is too long.

Very few teams go with the state.

Colorado - Avs and Rockies
Arizona - Coyotes and Cardinals and Diamondbacks
Florida - Panthers (Marlins too until they got their stadium and changed it)
Carolina - Panthers and Hurricanes
New Jersey - Devils and Nets before
New England - Patriots more region than state
Utah - Jazz
Texas - Rangers

Carolina is also region rather than state like New England.

Add in the Minnesota Wild, Timberwolves, Twins, and Vikings. The Indiana Pacers.

Then there’s the oddball Golden State Warriors. Are the New York teams named for the city or the state?

In the case of several of the ones you listed, the use of the state predates the name of the team in the sense that they’re named after things that use the state name. Texas Rangers, Colorado Rockies, Florida Panthers, Carolina Panthers, (New) Jersey Devils.
 
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Listened to the interview with him on 32 thoughts today and he seems like he'd be a great owner for the league and something new.
 

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The Indiana Pacers.

Then there’s the oddball Golden State Warriors. Are the New York teams named for the city or the state?

In the case of several of the ones you listed, the use of the state predates the name of the team in the sense that they’re named after things that use the state name. Texas Rangers, Colorado Rockies, Florida Panthers, Carolina Panthers, (New) Jersey Devils.

Indiana makes more sense simply because they play in Indianapolis, which is just Greek for Indiana City. I'm saying that tongue in cheek, but you get the point: It's needlessly longer to use the city name, which is basically redundant with Indiana.

Which is kinda why the New York teams don't use "New York City" despite five of them playing in the city. There's New York City FC, but they use it more for global branding...

Manchester City is the head of City Football Group, that was trying to build a global network of "___ City" clubs that scout and train and feed each other. However, about halfway into buying clubs, they changed tactics and decided purchasing better clubs with established academies was smarter to achieve the network; the local pushback of name/color changes making youth not want to play in their academy just wasn't worth the brand synergy of a dozen "_____ City" clubs that looked the same.


Golden State moved to the Bay Area from Philly and became the San Francisco Warriors. They actually didn't PLAY in San Francisco because the Cow Palace was just outside the city border, in Daly City. But they also played games in Oakland and San Jose, building a fan base around the region. The running joke was that the Warriors played everywhere BUT San Francisco.

When Oakland built a new arena, they played most their games there and decided to change names. But they didn't want to lose SF fans (or SJ fans) AND they actually had six home games scheduled in SAN DIEGO that season. So they went with Golden State.

Continuing the pattern with Real Salt Lake and Utah Jazz the team also needs to have the least fitting name possible for a team in Utah.

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Tawnos

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Coyotes?

I mean it's not like they don't exist there. Actually most of Western US and Canada have 'em along with a good swath of Mexico.

At this point, you can find Coyotes everywhere in North America except for the very northern reaches of Canada and Alaska. They’ve really expanded their range in the last 30 years. I saw one here in NC a few weeks ago. Several years back, I was camping in the western NC mountains and a pack of them was making a ton of noise in the middle of the night near the campground. Or at least according to the ranger, it was probably two packs with one warning off the other.

But yeah, iconically they’re still a western thing. Utah Coyotes would work… but I bet new ownership outside of Phoenix is going to want to eliminate those kinds of ties to what people see as a failed organization
 

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The bigger issue is that Smith owns the Jazz, a team that regularly plays the Grizzlies. I'm not sure if there would be a desire (or NBA opposition) at the idea of an NBA owner using another team's name for a different league irrespective of the fact that the hockey Grizzlies are an established brand in-and-of itself. (And also not comparable to the NFL/MLB Giants and Cardinals, the NFL/NHL Jets and Panthers, and the MLB/NHL Rangers, as there wasn't a potential conflict of interest ownership setup to start out).

My bet would be something bee-related given that the insect is a very established part of the culture and iconography of the state, or they pick a word with a double ZZ in the name like the Jazz (and Grizzlies). Utah Blizzards? Ooh, or just Utah Blizzard, as that'll ruffle some feathers of fans that don't like non-pluralized team names.
 
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