Bettman meeting with Ryan Smith, owner of Utah Jazz and Real Salt Lake (upd: Smith asks NHL to open expansion process)

[Reaser]

Their games on local TV average 33K viewers.

Can you share where you got that number?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Can you share where you got that number?

This was for the 21-22 season. Haven't seen 22-23 yet.

Sports Media: NHL sees local ratings dip in return to full season

The NHL’s local TV story took a hit this season, as regular-season games on U.S. RSNs posted a 23% ratings drop compared to last year’s shortened season, according to Nielsen data analyzed by my SBJ colleague David Broughton. The main reason for such an extensive drop — only four teams showed...

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

Ratings were a .16 in a market of 2.13 million TV homes. Averages out to 34 thousand & change. My earlier 33,000 quote was from memory, so please forgive the inaccuracy.

 

[Reaser]

This was for the 21-22 season. Haven't seen 22-23 yet.

Sports Media: NHL sees local ratings dip in return to full season

The NHL’s local TV story took a hit this season, as regular-season games on U.S. RSNs posted a 23% ratings drop compared to last year’s shortened season, according to Nielsen data analyzed by my SBJ colleague David Broughton. The main reason for such an extensive drop — only four teams showed...

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

Ratings were a .16 in a market of 2.13 million TV homes. Averages out to 34 thousand & change. My earlier 33,000 quote was from memory, so please forgive the inaccuracy.

.16, not 1.6 ...

 

[Boris Zubov]

.16, not 1.6 ...

Is my math wrong? Or are you just throwing shade at the market?

 

[Reaser]

Is my math wrong? Or are you just throwing shade at the market?

If 1.0 is 1% of the market, a 1.0 using Phoenix media market would be 21,300.

So a .16 wouldn't be 34k, of course.

 

[Boris Zubov]

If 1.0 is 1% of the market, a 1.0 using Phoenix media market would be 21,300.

So a .16 wouldn't be 34k, of course.

It would be atrocious if they're only pulling in 3400+ viewers a night.

I had it as 2.138 million x .016. If that's incorrect, clearly I don't know how to calculate TV numbers.

 

[Reaser]

It would be atrocious if they're only pulling in 3400+ viewers a night. I had it as 2.138 million x .016. If that's incorrect, clearly I don't know hot to calculate TV numbers.

Think of it like this. The NHL averaged 45k last season league-wide on U.S. RSN broadcasts (NBA 58k for those that like to compare.) Teams at the bottom, like the Yotes, kill the average. They aren't near it.

Much closer to 3,400 HHs than 34k HHs. (HH=Households)

 

[Boris Zubov]

Think of it like this. The NHL averaged 45k last season league-wide on U.S. RSN broadcasts (NBA 58k for those that like to compare.) Teams at the bottom, like the Yotes, kill the average. They aren't near it.

Much closer to 3,400 HHs than 34k HHs. (HH=Households)

YIKES. How is that even worth the effort or cost of producing the broadcast? LOL.

 

[Brodie]

While rooting the name of a team in LDS culture has a certain appeal, Salt Lake is diversifying pretty quickly and most Utah business leaders do not want to be permanently branded solely as Mormon in the eyes of the outside world. Again, if you're going generic "western" you could do way, way worse than just keeping Coyotes. It would make much more sense than the Utah Jazz or the Memphis Grizzlies or the LA Lakers.

I don't think the Utes are that similar - they're on a different language group, and just googling some Ute artwork shows a very different style.

Now you could totally go with a Ute Indian-inspired design language - that would be quite interesting actually. But it wouldn't be Kachina.

just as an aside, but Hopi is a Northern Uto-Aztecan language just like Ute and Southern Paiute... it is generally believed that the Hopi and the Utes split off a proto Uto-Aztecan group in the Great Basin between 1000-1200 CE and the Hopi eventually adapted to the lifestyle and culture of the ancient Pueblo people. In any case, the Utes were very economically and culturally involved with their Puebloan neighbors.

so related, if not closely, but yes there would be no way around the Kachina aspect

 

[Headshot77]

No offense to Coyotes fans, but let's be frank... does the Yotes brand have meaningful value in a new market?

I'm not really seeing a reason to keep the name if the franchise moves elsewhere. It's not like the Raiders and now the A's moving to Las Vegas, those were established and historic brands that admittedly have fallen on hard times as of late. The Yotes brand has had one deep playoff run in its history and not really any semblance of a national draw fanbase-wise.

There are coyotes in Utah and everywhere, but if they move a fresh rebrand seems like it be a smart move.

And count me in the camp that team names should always remain behind if an ownership group ups and leaves. Keep the name and iconography with the folks that gave a damn.

The Kachina jerseys are sick. They should stay with the franchise even if they aren't in Arizona anymore.

 

[GKJ]

At this point, you can find Coyotes everywhere in North America except for the very northern reaches of Canada and Alaska. They’ve really expanded their range in the last 30 years. I saw one here in NC a few weeks ago. Several years back, I was camping in the western NC mountains and a pack of them was making a ton of noise in the middle of the night near the campground. Or at least according to the ranger, it was probably two packs with one warning off the other.

But yeah, iconically they’re still a western thing. Utah Coyotes would work… but I bet new ownership outside of Phoenix is going to want to eliminate those kinds of ties to what people see as a failed organization

Plenty of Coyotes here in Central Connecticut. I've seen more here in little over a year than I did while living in Vegas for a decade.

Saw a girl at a vape shop last week who had a Coyotes kachina sweatshirt.

My mechanic spent some time there too, he had season tickets. I let him know what was going on last time I saw him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Saw a girl at a vape shop last week who had a Coyotes kachina sweatshirt.

My mechanic spent some time there too, he had season tickets. I let him know what was going on last time I saw him.

I was referring to actual coyotes....I think I confused you because I capitalized the word in my previous post, but I have a pack of coyotes here in central Connecticut that howls every night in my neighborhood & sometimes right in my backyard.

Most of the team sweatshirts I see are worn by a bunch of front running Brady fans who can't decide if they are loyal to the Pats or the Bucs...but I digress

 

[GKJ]

I was referring to actual coyotes....I think I confused you because I capitalized the word in my previous post, but I have a pack of coyotes here in central Connecticut that howls every night in my neighborhood & sometimes right in my backyard.

Most of the team sweatshirts I see are worn by a bunch of front running Brady fans who can't decide if they are loyal to the Pats or the Bucs...but I digress

I did, but the sweatshirt I still found humorous. I asked her and she wasn’t from Arizona.

 

[Stumbledore]

I have a pack of coyotes here in central Connecticut that howls every night in my neighborhood & sometimes right in my backyard.

Do they carry hockey sticks?

 

[KevFu]

Do they carry hockey sticks?

This sticks were knocked out of their hands. They're howling for an interference call.

 

[Stumbledore]

This sticks were knocked out of their hands. They're howling for an interference call.

Bravo! Well played, sir.

 

[oknazevad]

The Buzz.

Although, that sounds awful

They are the beehive state…. What about “Bees” in general?

Or do the Blue Jackets and Lightning (mascot wise) get to veto that?

The Salt Lake Bees are the Triple-A baseball team in town. The name is already taken. And even more fun is that for a while they were actually called the Buzz to play off the double-z thing. And it was during that time they were the main team in Major League: Back to the Minors, the direct-to-video third movie in the series.

 

[Reaser]

Major League: Back to the Minors, the direct-to-video third movie in the series.

Was in the theaters. Myself and two of my friends, all Major League and Major League II fans, were excited for it. Saw it opening day matinee, we were the only 3 people in the theater. Still got our entertainment value laughing at it but to say the least, it did not live up to the original two movies.

 

[oknazevad]

Was in the theaters. Myself and two of my friends, all Major League and Major League II fans, were excited for it. Saw it opening day matinee, we were the only 3 people in the theater. Still got our entertainment value laughing at it but to say the least, it did not live up to the original two movies.

Didn't realize that. Turns out it was a total flop that made less than $4 million at the box office. No wonder I thought it was DTV. It was in theatres for like a week.

 

[Reaser]

Didn't realize that. Turns out it was a total flop that made less than $4 million at the box office. No wonder I thought it was DTV. It was in theatres for like a week.

Yup, it was pulled quick here which we also laughed about.

 

[oknazevad]

Doesn't help that it is pretty much just TV/DTV movie quality...

But we're far afield here. The point being that Bees in any form are already taken in SLC by baseball.

 

[Jets4Life]

This was for the 21-22 season. Haven't seen 22-23 yet.

Sports Media: NHL sees local ratings dip in return to full season

The NHL’s local TV story took a hit this season, as regular-season games on U.S. RSNs posted a 23% ratings drop compared to last year’s shortened season, according to Nielsen data analyzed by my SBJ colleague David Broughton. The main reason for such an extensive drop — only four teams showed...

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

Ratings were a .16 in a market of 2.13 million TV homes. Averages out to 34 thousand & change. My earlier 33,000 quote was from memory, so please forgive the inaccuracy.

That is 1.6% of all TV households in the SLC metro area.

 

[Spydey629]

The Salt Lake Bees are the Triple-A baseball team in town. The name is already taken. And even more fun is that for a while they were actually called the Buzz to play off the double-z thing. And it was during that time they were the main team in Major League: Back to the Minors, the direct-to-video third movie in the series.

Honestly, I didn’t know if the Bees/Buzz were still a thing or not.

I used to know a lot about MiLB franchises, but the recent re-organization blew that up - in more ways than one.

 

[Roadrage]

The Kachina jerseys are sick. They should stay with the franchise even if they aren't in Arizona anymore.

They would then become the new teams Reverse Retro's

 

[Brodie]

An alternate bee themed name could be the Salt Lake/Utah Stingers