Rob
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I think Calgary should wear an Atlanta Flames jersey just once.
Bettman meeting with Ryan Smith, owner of Utah Jazz and Real Salt Lake (upd: Smith asks NHL to open expansion process)
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I think Calgary should wear an Atlanta Flames jersey just once.
dj4aces
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I know they used the Atlanta logo on their sweaters for the assistant captains. Not sure if they still do that from time to time or what, but I remember it being a thing.
AtlantaWhaler
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Apologies for upending the thread...
I think the negative feelings coming from old Whaler fans is because Karmanos went with the team. There is still a big hatred for him. I know he doesn't have any ownership anymore, but I believe that's the vibe.
Like if Atlanta (Winnipeg) Spirit still owned the team in Peg and decided to do a Thrasher night. Can't imagine that would go over well here.
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Jets 2.0 have leaned into the Jets 1.0 history hard, even though it's not technically the same franchise. All honourees in the "Ring of Honour" played for the Jets 1.0 (either in the WHA or NHL days), the 2016 Heritage Classic alumni game featured Jets 1.0 players. I believe the only thing they've kept from the Thrashers days is the Dan Snyder memorial award (even though they have since given out Snyder's #37).
That being said I would love it to see them do a one-off Thrashers memorial game. Come out in Thrashers jerseys for warm-up (even though that's now banned). Game would obviously be played against Calgary.
I think it would be a hit, but I doubt I'll ever see it.
No Fun Shogun
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Well, that's really the thing. Jets fans care about Winnipeg hockey history, obviously. I'm sure that Winnipeggers always hoped from a continuity standpoint that the Yotes would move back and serve as a direct connection, but absent that they're perfectly fine pretending that the Jets2.0 and Jets1.0 are one and the same. And frankly, that makes perfect sense.
Hell, in another sport, basically all the old Baltimore Colts guys associate with the Ravens nowadays, because they don't care about Indianapolis. Baltimore is where they played and made memories, regardless of name, colors, or franchise records. Same goes for the original Jets guys, they made their memories in Winnipeg.
The Whalers are a special case, as their logo is so damn iconic. Easy to harken to that beauty. But beyond that, I don't think fans in new markets care about the old names, logos, players, traditions, and history of the teams until they became their teams.
Also a reason why I think teams that relocate should be forced to always change their name and brand and pretend that they're expansion teams for all intents and purposes (like the Browns to Ravens example). Sure, the owner of the team owns the team, but the fans owned their attachment to the team, and that legacy should remain where it happened.
Hell, in another sport, basically all the old Baltimore Colts guys associate with the Ravens nowadays, because they don't care about Indianapolis. Baltimore is where they played and made memories, regardless of name, colors, or franchise records. Same goes for the original Jets guys, they made their memories in Winnipeg.
The Whalers are a special case, as their logo is so damn iconic. Easy to harken to that beauty. But beyond that, I don't think fans in new markets care about the old names, logos, players, traditions, and history of the teams until they became their teams.
Also a reason why I think teams that relocate should be forced to always change their name and brand and pretend that they're expansion teams for all intents and purposes (like the Browns to Ravens example). Sure, the owner of the team owns the team, but the fans owned their attachment to the team, and that legacy should remain where it happened.
dj4aces
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I don't think many of us former Thrashers fans would be happy if they did that under current ownership either, solely because they and their fans both don't want to acknowledge the actual franchise history.
I think a lot of those old 1970s NHL expansion and WHA era logos are rather iconic and memorable, but the Whale sticks out to me the most. Everything from the W being a whale tail to the color scheme, and everything in between. It just sticks in your head and makes you remember it. Whalers, Nordiques, Flames, Rockies, Scouts, North Stars. Truly unforgettable logos.
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Well Colorado did sport these a few seasons back. I think they look pretty sharp, but I would, since I also thought the white Nordiques' sweaters were top notch.
And ya, not sure I'm a big fan of the "throwback to the former home city" concept either. I would think that if the Leafs ever left town (anything is possible!) I wouldn't like seeing the Atlanta Whatevers wearing Leaf, or even Leaf inspired, uniforms... It would feel like one last kick in the balls.
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No Fun Shogun
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Yeah, but to be fair that was a one-off throwback as part of a larger historical promotion several teams were doing after not touching the Nordiques history for about a quarter century. Not really something they hanged their hats on or tried to meaningfully own longterm.
Llama19
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Utah Senate throws support behind effort to land NHL team
To quote:
"Just a couple hours after SJR12 flew through the Senate, McCay and legislative leaders joined Gov. Spencer Cox on a virtual meeting with NHL officials but little could be gleaned about the substance of the conversation from a joint statement released later on Monday.
“Today, Gov. Spencer Cox, Senate President J. Stuart Adams and House Speaker Mike Schultz met with National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman,” the statement reads. “Utah has the foundation of being the next major sports and entertainment destination in the United States. With the fastest growing economy, youngest population in the country and a long history as a premier winter sports destination, Utah is excited about the prospect of being the new home to an NHL franchise.”
But McCay told KSL-TV the tone of the call was “very positive”.
“Right now we’re in the very early exploration stage with the NHL,” McCay said. “They’re looking at Utah and they’re looking at other markets ... we’re talking major markets. For Utah to be in the conversation just says a lot about the economic environment and the people we have here in the state of Utah.”"
Source: www.deseret.com/utah/2024/1/29/24054444/utah-nhl-expansion-senate-resolution-support-hockey-ryan-smith-seg-utah-jazz-mlb
To quote:
"Just a couple hours after SJR12 flew through the Senate, McCay and legislative leaders joined Gov. Spencer Cox on a virtual meeting with NHL officials but little could be gleaned about the substance of the conversation from a joint statement released later on Monday.
“Today, Gov. Spencer Cox, Senate President J. Stuart Adams and House Speaker Mike Schultz met with National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman,” the statement reads. “Utah has the foundation of being the next major sports and entertainment destination in the United States. With the fastest growing economy, youngest population in the country and a long history as a premier winter sports destination, Utah is excited about the prospect of being the new home to an NHL franchise.”
But McCay told KSL-TV the tone of the call was “very positive”.
“Right now we’re in the very early exploration stage with the NHL,” McCay said. “They’re looking at Utah and they’re looking at other markets ... we’re talking major markets. For Utah to be in the conversation just says a lot about the economic environment and the people we have here in the state of Utah.”"
Source: www.deseret.com/utah/2024/1/29/24054444/utah-nhl-expansion-senate-resolution-support-hockey-ryan-smith-seg-utah-jazz-mlb
PCSPounder
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I interrupt this lovefest with an important message.
EFFING DRAPER?
I’m already tired of this entertainment district junk. Draper is the closest you can get to Provo without going over… so to speak.
Time for me to call my congressman and call that Saskatchewan farmer I talked to in order to contact his MP and push legislation to require the Stanley Cup only be made available to a system with pro/rel. Oh, wait, I know a Timbers Army lad in Vancouver now…
EFFING DRAPER?
I’m already tired of this entertainment district junk. Draper is the closest you can get to Provo without going over… so to speak.
Time for me to call my congressman and call that Saskatchewan farmer I talked to in order to contact his MP and push legislation to require the Stanley Cup only be made available to a system with pro/rel. Oh, wait, I know a Timbers Army lad in Vancouver now…
trellaine201
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Wholly F! I thought they were building a new arena in Tempe! Then found out it was turned down. The NHL and Batman are complete joke and also corrupt!
I'd have no trouble with it whatsoever. What I would have trouble with is Toronto getting a new team after such a move and calling them the Maple Leafs. Ottawa and Winnipeg reviving old team names (especially Winnipeg since the original team still exists in Arizona. And none of these stupid deals are where a team's history says with the city. Those just just feel messy. But I'll admit that I see teams' cities more as bases of operation, like a corporate headquarter, than an inate part of the team
ponder719
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Off topic from the rest of this thread, but if the Whalers can't come back as the proper Whalers, I always wanted the Rangers to find a new AHL affiliate, and the Hurricanes to revive the Whalers as their AHL affiliate.
On topic for this thread, if we truly are reaching a point where this press release was intended to signal the NHL's frustration with the Coyotes and the potential relocation to SLC, I hope that move is paired with a commitment to return to Phoenix if a suitable location with a suitable arena can be found.
Yukon Joe
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As a Winnipeg guy - the memories live with the city, not the franchise.
The Coyotes went and retired Dale Hawerchuk's number (or maybe they didn't retire it, but they honoured him in some fashion). Which I mean is I guess a nice gesture - but Dale never played in Phoenix. So the fans in attendance had virtually no idea who he was.
Compare that to the Heritage Classic in Winnipeg - where Dale was the captain of the alumni team. Now technically he never played for that franchise - but all the fans in attendance knew exactly who he was, and gave him a huge cheer.
To be honest, if the Leafs left town, but Toronto ended up getting another team to fill the void (regardless of name/branding) I probably wouldn't care what the Atlanta Whatevers did. I guess it's the idea of the franchise, in its new city, dusting off the old unis as a marketing gimmick, while the hometown is left with nothing, that bugs me. I dunno, maybe that sounds silly or illogical, but fandom is sort of silly and illogical to begin with. 
When it comes to the Jets 2.0, and maybe I'm making this up in my head, but I thought I remember hearing/reading the owners originally attended to keep the Jets name dead and buried, but when the NHL's return to Winnipeg became imminent, and thousands of people started gathering downtown chanting "Go Jets Go" or whatever, ownership/management was like "Whelp, I guess it's the Jets then".
When it comes to the Jets 2.0, and maybe I'm making this up in my head, but I thought I remember hearing/reading the owners originally attended to keep the Jets name dead and buried, but when the NHL's return to Winnipeg became imminent, and thousands of people started gathering downtown chanting "Go Jets Go" or whatever, ownership/management was like "Whelp, I guess it's the Jets then".
No Fun Shogun
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Also, imagine a scenario where the original Jets moved... and they just kept their name and became the Phoenix Arizona Jets, thereby locking Winnipeg out from even reclaiming the name decades later.
My hunches are that if Atlanta (or Kansas City) gets a team again that they'd adopt a new name, but Quebec, Hartford, or Minnesota back in the day had Dallas fully renamed? Oh yeah, they'd bring back the old names.
Heck, the hypothetical Minnesota example is a good point. We're all used to Wild now, but back when it was announced everybody was wtf'ing it and mourning the downgrade from the North Stars.
Should've been the Blue Ox.
My hunches are that if Atlanta (or Kansas City) gets a team again that they'd adopt a new name, but Quebec, Hartford, or Minnesota back in the day had Dallas fully renamed? Oh yeah, they'd bring back the old names.
Heck, the hypothetical Minnesota example is a good point. We're all used to Wild now, but back when it was announced everybody was wtf'ing it and mourning the downgrade from the North Stars.
Should've been the Blue Ox.
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All Jets history and memories belong to Winnipeg. Thank you for Doan, Tkachuck, Khabibulin, Teppo, Drake and all the other transition players of value but the rest rightfully belongs to ya'll.
Listening to Elliotte Friedman on today's Jeff Marek show (Sportsnet) I wonder if this expansion talk is just a cover for what's really going to happen. Are we going to see Arizona move to Utah in the next year or so? I could see it if certain steps don't work out in the near future.
Right now Utah residents had better be praying that the NHL isn't going to ask for a taxpayer financed arena as part of the expansion or relocation deal. If there is a new arena on the horizon taxpayers need to start demanding that it be a privately funded arena - before their politicians sell them out like they did here in Calgary.
Utah hands out incentives like candy. They've given Goldman Sachs alone incentives totally $60 million
KevFu
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I feel like the easiest "mistake" to point out would be that they should have "paused" the last four expansion and given the markets which lost teams a chance to get their teams back. (Minnesota did exactly that).
But too often we use the Mason-Dixon Line as the "Stolen-Failed Line." The logic that Winnipeg, Quebec and Hartford should get to go to the front of the line should also apply to Atlanta, who'd previously lost the Flames.
Like I said, Nashville and Columbus basically got teased with relocation of the Devils and Whalers before they made other options. The cities were all in to do what the owners wanted, the owners went another way.
So they got picked over Oklahoma City and Hampton Roads Virginia. Which pretty much seems to be the right choice, given that OKC and Virginia aren't lighting up the "best candidates" talk.
So I actually DON'T think it's too "in the weeds" for "best candidates" because you can only pick from complete bids. You can't pick a market with no arena, or no owner, or who just got a relocated team, or who didn't even apply.
ponder719
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I'm not even a Minnesota fan, but I'm still mourning the downgrade.
I want to live in the alternate universe where the league drew inspiration from the Red Sox and White Sox, prevailed upon Norm Green to leave the North Stars name for Minnesota 2.0, and had him change the team to the Dallas Lone Stars.
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