JetsHomer
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Best sniper + playmaker combination in one player
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mikethelegacy
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Malkin for sure. Dude is an animal. Crosby is great, don't get me wrong, and still the better play, but definitely more of a playmaker. Geno does it all.
A sniper is someone with an fast and accurate shot from a distance with little reliance on deflection is a sniper. A player who doesn't take shots just so he can take these shots would be a sniper. 20 goals a season while average one shot a game may very well be that person.
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Yeah, I agree. Sometimes it drives me mad that he doesn't shoot more. He seems like he has a great shot but rarely uses it.
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This was my thought as well. Kessel does an really good job of threatening with his great shot, and then snapping a pass right on the tape to JVR or Bozak for some really "easy" goals.
How is Giroux in this discussion? He has 0 30 goals seasons.
Anyway, my choices here are Malkin (average of 38 goals and 62 assists), Crosby (average of 40 goals and 74 assists), Seguin (average of 36 goals and 40 assists in a season not including his rookie season), Kessel (average of 36 goals and 39 assists not including his first 2 seasons) or Ovechkin (average of 51 goals and 46 assists) purely looking at stats. When watching them play, I'd go with Malkin.
Anyway, my choices here are Malkin (average of 38 goals and 62 assists), Crosby (average of 40 goals and 74 assists), Seguin (average of 36 goals and 40 assists in a season not including his rookie season), Kessel (average of 36 goals and 39 assists not including his first 2 seasons) or Ovechkin (average of 51 goals and 46 assists) purely looking at stats. When watching them play, I'd go with Malkin.
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Malkin is tops but Tarasenko is making a name for himself as a sniper but he's an underrated playmaker too - very good vision offensively and sets up a ton of nice plays. He's consistenly had as many assists as goals in his career thur far.
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He only surpassed the 40 goals mark once.
He's a decent goals scorer but he's a much better playmaker.
livewell68
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Using the per game stat again I see.
The truth is hockey isn't played on a per game basis, you only get credit for playing games.
Not including this season, Crosby has averaged 30 goals a season.
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Definitely a part of the discussion. His passing/playmaking is seriously good.
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If we are to talk about players all-time, my top are:
1. Gretzky
2. Lemieux
3. Howe
4. Orr
5. Jagr
6. Lafleur
7. Esposito
8. Sakic
9. Mikita
10. Dionne
The closest current generation player that has come close is Malkin although St. Louis once finished top 3 in goals and assists in the same season.
Since the 2005 lockout, this feat has only been accomplished 3 times, once by Jagr, once by Malkin and once by Daniel Sedin.
1. Gretzky
2. Lemieux
3. Howe
4. Orr
5. Jagr
6. Lafleur
7. Esposito
8. Sakic
9. Mikita
10. Dionne
The closest current generation player that has come close is Malkin although St. Louis once finished top 3 in goals and assists in the same season.
Since the 2005 lockout, this feat has only been accomplished 3 times, once by Jagr, once by Malkin and once by Daniel Sedin.
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I think he is still the best combination though in terms of a player having all the attributes. Getzlaf scores a ton of pure goal scorer goals when he decides to be that guy. It is a shame he doesn't shoot more because it isn't like Thornton, Getzlaf has a very elite shot, I would put it in the top 10 in the league.
I get disqualifying him based on his reluctance to shoot, I always felt it hurt Datsyuk in terms of these discussions. But the ability to pick the corner with howitzers is absolutely in both guys games.
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Kessel is definitely up there, especially if we're talking actually being a sniper vs simply pucks in the net. Sidney Crosby for example is a great shooter but I don't see him as a sniper in terms of goal scoring, his hands and athleticism lead to a lot of his goals. Don't get me wrong though, Sid is still one of the best examples for this thread, I'm just noting the difference in how a lot of their goals are scored.
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Semin is an interesting case here. Elite elite sniper, and an extremely underrated playmaker. When he decides to play, I'd put him at the top of this list.
what is weighted more? sniping or playmaking?
see people saying Kane over Kessel so I am confused
see people saying Kane over Kessel so I am confused
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Simply because it's not true. Is he as one-dimensionally inclined to be a playmaker such as Forsberg, Thorton and Sedin were/ are? Of course not but he's also never been the best in the game at both at the same time at any time in his career. I think his lone Rocket Richard win ( a fluke I might add considering Ovechkin missed 9 more games but had one less goal) and the fact that when players are still capable of putting up 40+ goals, Crosby has only eclipsed that mark once in his career.
BTW the season he won the Richard, he wasn't even top 5 in assists.
Malkin was 2nd and 3rd respectively the season he won the Hart and Art Ross.
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In terms of ability I'm going with Getzlaf, he has a tremendous shot but just doesn't utilize it enough.
If we call Crosby's Rocket trophy a fluke then we get to call MSL and Ovechkins Hart winning seasons a fluke too, right? Seeing as Sid was in line to smoke everyone.
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