Value of: Best RHD to Edmonton
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Lockin17
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I mean it depends on what you're looking for. I'd still be looking for a shutdown guy, but one who can make a good first pass. Kind of like what you did with Ekholm. Tanev would be available. He'd be a good fit. Just injury concerns.
I'd love for the Oilers to get another Ekholm type guy on the right side.
Not physically gifted but plays hard. Makes a lot of nice “what are you doing there? Oh well that was good” plays. Like the guy that takes a bad three point shot but it goes in. More of a bottom 3 defenseman that some people might think is a number 4. Plays PK2.
I think it would fix a lot of things. You could mix your pairings up against deeper squads like Vegas and not have a pairing getting demolished. You could create a shutdown pairing against top heavy teams. Gives you some flexibility. As a Flames fan I hope they go after Karlsson.
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AhosDatsyukian
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Kaibur
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Without knowing the Bouchard contract number, it's impossible to say what Edmonton can fit under the cap.
It seems like Edmonton fans are assuming Bouchard will take a cheap bridge deal. But I tend to think he has a fair bit of leverage. Bouchard seems like an attractive offer sheet target for some teams and I think that means he'll want more than a cheap bridge deal. That will directly impact what other moves are possible.
It seems like Edmonton fans are assuming Bouchard will take a cheap bridge deal. But I tend to think he has a fair bit of leverage. Bouchard seems like an attractive offer sheet target for some teams and I think that means he'll want more than a cheap bridge deal. That will directly impact what other moves are possible.
RNH has a full NMC and signed a team friendly deal to stay in Edmonton. He isn't waiving for anywhere. I think we can safely shelve the Nuge trades from here on out.
That's kind of the point. The Oilers are looking to upgrade on the right side, but I don't know what direction they want to go in. Offensive D? Defensive? A guy who can do both? I dunno.
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I'm surprised a Canes fan would say this. Pesce is one of the games best RHD why would you trade him? You should be extending him. Also RNH took a discount to stay in Edmonton and has a full NMC.
bucks_oil
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It's a tough question to answer. His partner is going to be Nurse.
So on the one hand you want a stabilizing influence. On the other hand, if you go full D-focused in the partner, then it will force Nurse to take more offensive risks, which might not be ideal.
Ideally it's another Ekholm all-rounder type (as @Double Dion suggested above)
Who would everyone say is the closest to Ekholm on the right side and be available?
ddawg1950
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A but weird that you have to find a defenseman that can babysit and cover up for 9.5 million dollar D that can't play defense.
Enough with the hot takes. The Oilers need to improve the right side. The left side is set.
AhosDatsyukian
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I love Pesce, he will likely be extended and stay here long term. That said, the team does need to upgrade scoring and has some interesting decisions cap-wise coming up in the next few years. Pesce wouldn't be available for just anyone but in a theoretical RNH deal I think he would be. RNH would be an absolutely ideal 2C for the Canes at a great cap hit long term which, along with Pesce not being re-signed, would give the team a lot of cap flexibility to keep upcoming FAs and continue to add scoring at wing. The Canes have some options for replacing him too, with Chatfield potentially able to step up into the top 4 and Morrow/Nikishin being really good prospects.
Very unlikely, and seems like RNH wouldn't realistically be available even for a Pesce caliber upgrade at RHD, but it's the offseason so interesting to discuss/think about. Value wise Pesce would need to come with an extension obviously, not sure how much the add would need to be from the Canes though. Extended Pesce, 1st & B prospect seems like reasonable value to me.
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ManofSteel55
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We need less of a generalist than Ceci - more of a specialist. It doesn't matter if it is an offensive specialist, or a defensive specialist. I believe that the issue right now, is that Nurse needs to focus on either being the smooth skating, puck moving force that he can be, or do less of that and focus on being a crease clearing defensive defenseman. The problem is, that Ceci doesn't do any of those things - which is fine in the right role, but the Oilers put Nurse out against the opposition's top players all the time, so having Ceci, a guy best suited to play as a #4 (or bottom pair), who does everything pretty well, but nothing at a top tier, just isn't the right fit there. So, the Oilers just need a specialist to play with Nurse - it could be a Karlsson type, that would allow Nurse to focus on the defensive side of the game, or a defensive specialist, so Nurse can rush the puck, and we have someone to cover for the mental lapses that happen when he spends so much time joining the rush.
Personally, I hope its a guy with more on the defensive side that we go after, so no Karlsson, no Dumba, no Klingberg, no Shattenkirk. That leaves Mayfield or Severson from the OP's list, although I would prefer a guy with some more sandpaper and snarl to his game to fill the spot next to Nurse. Man, I miss Adam Larsson, he was a great fit there. I thought Ceci could fill what Larsson had left when he went to Seattle, but he doesn't quite get there in my opinion.
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ManofSteel55
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A bit weird that your analysis of defensemen is so off. Nurse's defensive numbers are pretty good considering he always plays against the other team's top line, and our defensive structure in general is too loose, which results in good scoring chances both ways. He's not the problem, he's just an easy scapegoat. Ceci wasn't a problem in his first year with the Oilers, but last year he was. Apparently, he was battling some injuries for most of the season though, so maybe he rebounds, but I don't want to assume that will happen as he's not an ideal top-pair defenseman at all, even in his first year in Edmonton when he performed way above everyone's expectations, he wasn't the ideal piece we need.
Of the available pieces, I think Severson is probably most likely to be the answer, but I think he will cost more than we have to spend, and I also worry that he's going to want a long contract, and given his age, he's more likely to have only a couple of years of his prime left. He also doesn't have the nasty side I'd love to see in a defenseman next to Nurse, but given today's NHL, that's more of a luxury than a need.
Nurse - Severson
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Ceci
Broberg - Desharnais
Would be perfect, but I don't think the Oilers have the cap space to make it work.
ChaoticOrange
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This has to be sarcasm, yes?
bucks_oil
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As you say, this is unlikely, but I am intrigued.
Are there any $$$ rumblings about Pesce's contract extension?
ManofSteel55
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If Risto is the answer, I don't think we're asking the right question.
We would be foolish to not have interest in Pesce, but I don't think Holland would ask Nuge to waive his NTC.
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