Best player in the world: 2018
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KoozNetsOff 92
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Malkin and OV had similar regular seasons but OV had a Smythe worthy playoff run while Malkin sucked ass (below PPG and -7). But I guess playoffs don't matter now since they don't favor Malkin.
KoozNetsOff 92
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McDavid was the best player in the regular season but OV had the best regular season + playoffs. Obviously playoffs don't matter this year because certain players didn't go far so the goal posts get moved again.
Gotta say, the constant victim complex about a certain goal scoring winger is a bit tiring.
Luigi Lemieux
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Ovechkin was maybe like the 6th or 7th best regular season player. A playoff run doesn't make up for the fact McDavid was a significantly better player.
KoozNetsOff 92
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In 2008 Crosby didn't even have a top 10 regular season but that didn't stop people voting for him because of a great playoff run, even though OV was significantly better. In 2009 Crosby, fully healthy, was maybe the 5th or 6th best regular season player. But again he got votes because of playoffs even though OV was significantly better in the regular season. I voted for Crosby 4x in these polls because I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible. Too bad others can't do the same, always moving the goal posts.
Far more intelligent than your responses consisting entirely of logical fallacies and smartass comments.
Clearly I’m wasting my time hoping for an intelligent discussion with someone who is so clearly incapable of it. I’m through with you.
Nathaniel Skywalker
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- Oct 18, 2013
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If ovechkin was top 3 in scoring and hart I would have voted for him. But he was outside the top 10 in points
KrisLetAngry
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McDavid is my vote but he will win in a land slide so voting for Malkin for an incredible season.
Sidney the Kidney
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Did you vote for Crosby those two seasons (2008 and 2009) over Ovechkin?
You can't complain about "moving goalposts" and boost Ovechkin's case over Malkin because of playoffs, but not be consistent and rate Crosby's 2008 and 2009 as better than Ovechkin because of playoffs.
People have chimed in on this already with you when it happened. You’re looking at it in terms of the season at hand, and trying to add regular season and playoffs together. But these polls aren’t about stand alone seasons. It’s about the best player. Each season and playoffs is only adding data to that determination. In the early career debates with Crosby and Ovechkin, including 2008 and 2009, playoffs were frequently used as a plus in Crosby’s column because people felt they were close as players and preferred the more playoff proven player. Now you can say that Crosby wasn’t close to Ovechkin those years, even on a per game basis, and maybe that’s true, but the reality is that many people did think they were close, and so the playoffs were relevant to those people. In the same way, people have used playoffs in a debate between Doughty and Karlsson in the past. It only happens when players are considered close. Here, the vast majority of people don’t think a 33 year old Ovechkin is close to back to back Art Ross McDavid. So having a good playoffs is irrelevant.
If this was even rookie Ovechkin, let alone peak Ovechkin, and he finished 3rd in goals and points while being a dominant player who tilts the ice, then he had a Conn Smythe playoffs where he was just as productive, I think you could make a case for him. But he wasn’t that player at this point. Still a really good player and great goal scorer, but he wasn’t driving offense on his own like his younger self or like McDavid by that point in his career.
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nowhereman
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Ovechkin, lol
When Crosby was dominating the post-season in 2008-2010, it was all about regular season awards. But, now that OV finally gets himself a Cup, the post-season is enough of a deal-breaker to outweigh not finishing in the top 10 in scoring or PPG? These mental gymnastics are tiring.
It's McDavid. He took the mantle and was the best from here on out.
When Crosby was dominating the post-season in 2008-2010, it was all about regular season awards. But, now that OV finally gets himself a Cup, the post-season is enough of a deal-breaker to outweigh not finishing in the top 10 in scoring or PPG? These mental gymnastics are tiring.
It's McDavid. He took the mantle and was the best from here on out.
Yeah, no. 2019 is Kucherov and 2020 Draisaitl.
GreatGonzo
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They simply had the “better seasons.” McDavid was clearly the best player during that time. He didn’t need to win the scoring title or Hart, just like Crosby.
nowhereman
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And here were are, more than two decades into this poll, and people still don't understand the difference between the best season and the best player.
Kucherov and Draisaitl both had more points than McDavid also over two seasons.
Wait a minute…just above, didn’t you suggest OV and Malkin have similar regular seasons in 17/18 and now suggest OV was significantly better than Crosby in the regular season in 08/09? Not sure that reconciles other than a clear bias.
Miro4Norris
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Oveckhin had a weak legacy Conn Smythe while his teammate scored 32 points but now certain posters who are crying about Sid's first Conn Smythe are voting Ovi here because of Conn Smythe? You should vote Crosby if you're suddenly basing this on playoffs scoring 21pts in 12 games and he also had more points on regular season. Plus we all know how one-dimensional Ovi is
norrisnick
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The same bias that landed Matthews the Hart in '22. Goals count for more than assists for most.
The below ppg and -7 all occurred after he injured his knee in game 5 of the first round
Teammates. Was it this year that McDavid was carrying Pat Maroon on the first line?
I dont like this season for McDavid at all. It's probably the season i dislike the most. Oilers enter season full of potential/expectations after a nice playoff run the year before, and both Oilers and McDavid fall flat and are out of playoff race altogether by mid year.
By the all star break - McDavid was 10th in league scoring, and 15th in ppg. Struggling in a season where his team desparately needed him to perform and maybe push them to a playoff spot. He did score a lot of points in feb/march/april but in mostly meaningless games - but he did win the Ross.
Kucherov - starts the year on fire (after Tampa misses playoff previous year), helps Tampa to top of standings early in year and he is at top of scoring race the whole year till he slows down a bit at very end of season when his team is safely in playoffs and finishes 3rd in Ross instead of winning - this then allows him to have a super strong playoffs.
Best year/season? Absolutely no way id vote McDavid #1. Its Kucherov easily (or MacKinnon, etc).
But best player? This is probably when McDavid takes the mantle, despite me not liking his season. Its ~close with Kuch and Drai for a cpl of yrs, till he takes off in 21 and doesnt look back.
By the all star break - McDavid was 10th in league scoring, and 15th in ppg. Struggling in a season where his team desparately needed him to perform and maybe push them to a playoff spot. He did score a lot of points in feb/march/april but in mostly meaningless games - but he did win the Ross.
Kucherov - starts the year on fire (after Tampa misses playoff previous year), helps Tampa to top of standings early in year and he is at top of scoring race the whole year till he slows down a bit at very end of season when his team is safely in playoffs and finishes 3rd in Ross instead of winning - this then allows him to have a super strong playoffs.
Best year/season? Absolutely no way id vote McDavid #1. Its Kucherov easily (or MacKinnon, etc).
But best player? This is probably when McDavid takes the mantle, despite me not liking his season. Its ~close with Kuch and Drai for a cpl of yrs, till he takes off in 21 and doesnt look back.
No chance in hell Ovechkin had best season/playoffs combo. Kucherov slots above him by a very clear gap.
Kucherov close to best player in season (imo he was and should have won hart) and close to again in playoffs.
Ovechkin was quite far from best player in regular season, though he did have great playoffs.
In 2008 Crosby was a top 2-3 player in the regular season, and either best, or top 2 in playoffs.
In 2018 Ovechkin is....i dont know, is he even top 10 in regular season? Probably around 10th or so. And top ~1-2 in playoffs. Also - Ovechkin isnt coming into 2018 having swept awards the year prior (as Crosby did in 2007).
Its just not the same thing.
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Indeed Ovechkin's team spanked Malkin in the second round.
Ovie was great in that series - 3 game winning back breaking late 3rd period or OT goals were either scored or set up by Ovie.
Ovechkin's 2018 regular season + playoffs was better than Crosby's 2017.
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