Prospect Info: Bedard Topic 2

[CallMeShaft]

Brayden Point was definitely not a burner when he was drafted. A big reason he was drafted where he was. Not sure why were comparing him now to a 19yo Bedard.

 

[Mrfenn92]

obviously time to trade bedard

 

[ClydeLee]

Brayden Point was definitely not a burner when he was drafted. A big reason he was drafted where he was. Not sure why were comparing him now to a 19yo Bedard.

Brayden Point - The Next Ones: 2014 NHL Draft Prospect Profiles
Jun 20, 2014 — “Point is a very good skater. He has good top end speed, very good acceleration and a quick first step. His agility and edgework are both very ...

It's the top thing reports of him were praising

 

[CallMeShaft]

Brayden Point - The Next Ones: 2014 NHL Draft Prospect Profiles
Jun 20, 2014 — “Point is a very good skater. He has good top end speed, very good acceleration and a quick first step. His agility and edgework are both very ...

It's the top thing reports of him were praising

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, possibly getting him and Kucherov mixed up, I don't know.

Either way, plenty of kids improve their skating, so my point remains (whether or not it involves Point).

 

[BHawks77]

this is the thing that concerns me about Bedard's skating

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Compared to everyone's favorite slowpoke...
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Bedard's top speed is only slightly better than Strome's, not to mention the size difference.

Now go check Bedards last year top speed!!

 

[belfour30]

obviously time to trade bedard

Nobody is saying this

I'm going to stfu this was a bad argument.

 

[belfour30]

Now go check Bedards last year top speed!!

Yeah ok what happened?

 

[Darkstar]

obviously time to trade bedard

Yep. Generational bust. Oh well...

 

[Pez68]

Those skating metrics mean less than nothing. Lol. Holy shit. Bedard's game has never been a speed game or burning guys off of the rush. He's a cerebral player. He literally slows the game down. It's not his fault he plays with guys who aren't on his level.

 

[Mrfenn92]

 

[bwanajamba]

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Made more impressive by how seldom his team wins

 

[hawksfan50]

Bedard has a long way to go to be an elite top op NHL scorer..

Yes..Only 19 ..so therevusxthat

Yes..no top linemate legalize linemates to form dynamic duos..

There are signgle elite scorers doing most of it themselves...eg.Kaprizov..
Or there 2 elite scorers together who feed and help each other score like McKinnon and Rantanen .
Bedardchas no other YETto form a dynamic duo on a top line.

However IF by the time he is 23 he still is only a 66 pts pace uiy..then Chicago has a problem.

Also C or W ?

If he cannot improve on draws then maybe using him C is not his future.Bedardchadconebofvhos better nights in the dot ladt night (40%) but that still not good enough...you gotta start with the puck...especialky on POs...

And if Nazar loses all his drawsvl.like ast night vs.Washington (0/ 7) then hev oo cannot be one of top 2 centers. Unless we hacecwibgerscwho also excel in the dot..Butvusualkybin the NHL centers take the draws...startingninno-zobecwithoutvtyevpuck is not ideal.

 

[Cullksinikers]

Maybe I bet shot prop overs too much in my free time, and he's definitely picked up his production slightly of late with the help of some apples, but he needs to shoot the puck more. I'm not sure if it's his age, or the system, or feeling like he needs to be unselfish at times to defer to veterans, but he's got to start letting it rip more. He's been playing with a blender of linemates and maybe they don't do the best job creating him time and space or driving possession. However, how are you going to score if you're only putting the puck on net once or twice a game? He's only shot the puck more than twice one time (4 at NYI) in his last eight games, with three of those being zero or one shot on net. He's got a bright future, but I want him to start realizing he's the most talented player on the ice for his team and has the best shot. Sick of watching him make a dish and one of plugs or struggling players do nothing with it. Rip it, kid.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Maybe I bet shot prop overs too much in my free time, and he's definitely picked up his production slightly of late with the help of some apples, but he needs to shoot the puck more. I'm not sure if it's his age, or the system, or feeling like he needs to be unselfish at times to defer to veterans, but he's got to start letting it rip more. He's been playing with a blender of linemates and maybe they don't do the best job creating him time and space or driving possession. However, how are you going to score if you're only putting the puck on net once or twice a game? He's only shot the puck more than twice one time (4 at NYI) in his last eight games, with three of those being zero or one shot on net. He's got a bright future, but I want him to start realizing he's the most talented player on the ice for his team and has the best shot. Sick of watching him make a dish and one of plugs or struggling players do nothing with it. Rip it, kid.

That’s all fair but this team is also ass and he doesn’t get a lot of time or space to get shots off. The whole team can key in on him when we’ve got the puck in the opps zone.

 

[clydesdale line]

I was going to bring back the Hall/Foligno trade but they talk alot about Bedard here.

 

[Muffinalt]

I was debating putting this in he coaching/Sorensen thread honestly, because this game is from Richardson's time and his system.

It was really doing Bedard and the team no favors whatsoever.

Players are already showing better production under Sorensen, i want to see Bedard's sophmore numbers going forward.

 

[independent observer]

sending the only twenty point scorer on the third worst goals per game team in the league down to a farm team that's fifth in its division and lost six of its last ten is genius. get this man a gm job.

That‘s why I am not GM…
But would be surprised if you are happy with your GM… sometimes unconventional steps help…

 

[fiddytranslator]

Bedard has a long way to go to be an elite top op NHL scorer..

Yes..Only 19 ..so therevusxthat

Yes..no top linemate legalize linemates to form dynamic duos..

There are signgle elite scorers doing most of it themselves...eg.Kaprizov..
Or there 2 elite scorers together who feed and help each other score like McKinnon and Rantanen .
Bedardchas no other YETto form a dynamic duo on a top line.

However IF by the time he is 23 he still is only a 66 pts pace uiy..then Chicago has a problem.

Also C or W ?

If he cannot improve on draws then maybe using him C is not his future.Bedardchadconebofvhos better nights in the dot ladt night (40%) but that still not good enough...you gotta start with the puck...especialky on POs...

And if Nazar loses all his drawsvl.like ast night vs.Washington (0/ 7) then hev oo cannot be one of top 2 centers. Unless we hacecwibgerscwho also excel in the dot..Butvusualkybin the NHL centers take the draws...startingninno-zobecwithoutvtyevpuck is not ideal.

Bedard has a long way to go to become an elite top NHL scorer.

Yes, he's only 19, so there's that.

Yes, he doesn't have top-line mates yet to form dynamic duos.

There are single elite scorers doing most of it themselves, e.g., Kaprizov, or there are two elite scorers together who feed and help each other score, like McKinnon and Rantanen. Bedard has no one yet to form a dynamic duo on a top line.

However, if by the time he's 23, he’s still only on a 66-point pace, then Chicago has a problem.

Also, C or W?

If he cannot improve on faceoffs, then maybe using him at center isn't in his future. Bedard had one of his better nights in the dot last night (40%), but that's still not good enough. You’ve got to start with the puck, especially in the playoffs.

And if Nazar loses all his draws, like last night against Washington (0/7), then he too cannot be one of the top two centers. Unless we have wingers who also excel in the dot. But usually, in the NHL, centers take the draws. Starting in the offensive zone without the puck is not ideal.

 

[MHO]

Bedard has a long way to go to become an elite top NHL scorer.

Yes, he's only 19, so there's that.

Yes, he doesn't have top-line mates yet to form dynamic duos.

There are single elite scorers doing most of it themselves, e.g., Kaprizov, or there are two elite scorers together who feed and help each other score, like McKinnon and Rantanen. Bedard has no one yet to form a dynamic duo on a top line.

However, if by the time he's 23, he’s still only on a 66-point pace, then Chicago has a problem.

Also, C or W?

If he cannot improve on faceoffs, then maybe using him at center isn't in his future. Bedard had one of his better nights in the dot last night (40%), but that's still not good enough. You’ve got to start with the puck, especially in the playoffs.

And if Nazar loses all his draws, like last night against Washington (0/7), then he too cannot be one of the top two centers. Unless we have wingers who also excel in the dot. But usually, in the NHL, centers take the draws. Starting in the offensive zone without the puck is not ideal.

 

[statswatcher]

Bedard has a long way to go to become an elite top NHL scorer.

Yes, he's only 19, so there's that.

Yes, he doesn't have top-line mates yet to form dynamic duos.

There are single elite scorers doing most of it themselves, e.g., Kaprizov, or there are two elite scorers together who feed and help each other score, like McKinnon and Rantanen. Bedard has no one yet to form a dynamic duo on a top line.

However, if by the time he's 23, he’s still only on a 66-point pace, then Chicago has a problem.

Also, C or W?

If he cannot improve on faceoffs, then maybe using him at center isn't in his future. Bedard had one of his better nights in the dot last night (40%), but that's still not good enough. You’ve got to start with the puck, especially in the playoffs.

And if Nazar loses all his draws, like last night against Washington (0/7), then he too cannot be one of the top two centers. Unless we have wingers who also excel in the dot. But usually, in the NHL, centers take the draws. Starting in the offensive zone without the puck is not ideal.

now this is pod racing

 

[ello]

At this point Bedard can still finish around a ppg, which is still very very promising long term for a 19yo

The lack of progression is a little concerning but hopefully he steps it up as the season goes along and he gets out of his head

 

[Mjul Qvist]

At this point Bedard can still finish around a ppg, which is still very very promising long term for a 19yo

The lack of progression is a little concerning but hopefully he steps it up as the season goes along and he gets out of his head

What Bedard should improve next summer is explosiveness in his skating. Make those first three strides faster and that would benefit his play a lot and make him even more dangerous. Skill is there, IQ with vision is there..I´m not worried at all that he won´t be a really special offensive player. Look at MacKinnon´s first four seasons point totals: 63, 38(64gms), 52 and 53.

 

[BobbyJet]

What Bedard should improve next summer is explosiveness in his skating. Make those first three strides faster and that would benefit his play a lot and make him even more dangerous. Skill is there, IQ with vision is there..I´m not worried at all that he won´t be a really special offensive player. Look at MacKinnon´s first four seasons point totals: 63, 38(64gms), 52 and 53.

Agreed. I'd also like to see him more selfish and shoot the puck more often..... sometimes just for the rebound.

 

[TheFridge]

What Bedard should improve next summer is explosiveness in his skating. Make those first three strides faster and that would benefit his play a lot and make him even more dangerous. Skill is there, IQ with vision is there..I´m not worried at all that he won´t be a really special offensive player. Look at MacKinnon´s first four seasons point totals: 63, 38(64gms), 52 and 53.

Bedard's first few strides are not a problem and are in fact a strength. The kid has no problem evading pressure in the offensive zone, creating space off cutbacks and tight turns. His issue is his top-end speed is only a bit better than average, which when you want to carry the puck through three zones as much as Bedard wants to, becomes a bit of an issue in transition. Luckily, he has the hands and intelligence to make players miss while cutting through traffic.

 

[Mjul Qvist]

Bedard's first few strides are not a problem and are in fact a strength.

I see it differently. He can´t get to his top speed quick enough in straight line. He is pretty good in using his edges and moving laterally. For me it´s the lack of acceleration that holds him back to make a separations. Sure he isn´t the fastest guy there either but hockey is more of stop and go than skating straight forward. Either way he can still get better and faster. If Donato was able to get faster and better skater at age of 28 so can 19 old teenager too.