Bedard rookie predictions

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Any concern that he's been a little overhyped? 4 points in 7 games.
It is extremely difficult to come into the NHL as an 18 year old and produce at a ppg. Last player to do that was mcdavid, the one before that was crosby.

I thought it was a bit much for how many people expected bedard to step into the NHL and be producing at a 70+ point pace.

There is no reason for concern. His game just likely won't translate to the NHL at 18 as well as crosby or mcdavid, but he will reach a top 10 player in the league some time in the near future just like how Jack Hughes is doing it right now despite struggling a lot as an 18/19 year old.
 
It is extremely difficult to come into the NHL as an 18 year old and produce at a ppg. Last player to do that was mcdavid, the one before that was crosby.

I thought it was a bit much for how many people expected bedard to step into the NHL and be producing at a 70+ point pace.

There is no reason for concern. His game just likely won't translate to the NHL at 18 as well as crosby or mcdavid, but he will reach a top 10 player in the league some time in the near future just like how Jack Hughes is doing it right now despite struggling a lot as an 18/19 year old.
but that's exactly the players he was compared to. generational talent.

the expectations were/are unfair and he still has a good chance to become the best player of his generation. but it could serve as a learning experience for us to use superlatives and absolutes in regards of prospects.
 
but that's exactly the players he was compared to. generational talent.

the expectations were/are unfair and he still has a good chance to become the best player of his generation. but it could serve as a learning experience for us to use superlatives and absolutes in regards of prospects.
Yeah, I guess thats where difference in opinions come into play. I personally have never seen him on the same tier as Crosby/McDavid. Yeah he ripped up juniors at an insane rate, but theres more than just point totals that dictate what a player will be like in the NHL.

I feel like the term "generational" gets thrown around way too much.

I think he develops into the Matthews/Hughes tier of players.
 
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but that's exactly the players he was compared to. generational talent.

the expectations were/are unfair and he still has a good chance to become the best player of his generation. but it could serve as a learning experience for us to use superlatives and absolutes in regards of prospects.
yeah true right him off 7 games in lol
 
Didn't McDavid have a slow start also? 4 in 7 is fine, also the Blackhawks had a hard schedule to start the season. It's not like his teammates are doing good and he his doing bad, he's second in scoring on his team
 
Bedard was far from flying solo. Regina lacked depth, but Bedard had a lot of talent to play with, especially on the PP. Suzdalev, Svozil, and Howe are talented junior players in their own right.

He also isn't nearly the same level of puck carrier as Crosby and McDavid, especially through the neutral zone. And Matthews was absolutely capable of gaining his own ice and carrying the puck, even though he played in a men's league during his draft year.

Watch a few plays from this video:

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And another example of gaining ice:

Holy smokes these highlights are filthy.
 
Lots of sky-high expectations.

Has anyone besides McDavid lived up to the hype in the last decade? More?

Every year it's the same thing, "this is the one"!!

Every year, around Christmas, we get a "is X a bust??"

If he goes 30/30, I think it would be considered a successful season.

I mean, there have been 5 players since 2000 that have scored more than 72 points in their rookie season. Two of them were Sid and Ovi in the same year.

Has anybody since McDavid truly been touted and performed like a generational talent? He's not your average 1st round pick. He's technically performed at a higher level than McDavid as far as Juniors career is concerned. There's a good reason why people expect big numbers from him.

I think he'll be an outstanding player, eventually.

And yes, we hear about the next Great One almost every year.

In the last 20 years, there has been one.

Do you think he'll be better than McDavid, since he performed at a "higher level" in Junior?

Very, very, unlikely.

Your comment reads like someone who hasn't seen Bedard play, has watched some clips perhaps, and is looking at the whirlwind of hype for lesser players like Lafreniere (and past unremarkable #1s) and using that to justify being super cautious, so my apologies if you're actually well versed in Bedard.

Study his game for yourself, rather than relying on hype and expectations of other people. This isn't the old times where the average person needed to rely on the scouting reports from the 'professionals'.

It's one thing to get sucked up in the hype about the "Next One" when it was a newer idea and the average slob didn't have the kind of access we enjoy now. Now it's pointless to try and attach that kind of label to any player.

Crosby and McDavid have been the only players with more legitimate hype than Bedard since Lindros and as long as one isn't completely unreasonable, they met and surpassed expectations. Bedard is just below them, so expecting him to be better than either is fairly unrealistic. But he certainly has the tools to hit the ground running and put up a rookie season to remember.

Many of the greats have a somewhat slow start during the opening month (if one calls hovering around PPG slow). If he's healthy, we should know if he's successfully making the transition by the time the calendar flips to 2024 (roughly halfway through his rookie campaign). We should know by then if we have been too optimistic (myself) or too pessimistic (imo, many of the answers in this thread).

While my own expectations are 50 goals/105-110 points, anything 90 and above is a huge success. I'll be watching most of his games when possible, so if I see multiple instances of him creating offense throughout the game and it's not translating to points, it'll still be very encouraging.

I think you're way off on expected points, by a lot.

Having said that, I hope I'm wrong!! We need more players like that in the league.

Be nice for McDavid to have some competition.

Plus, I could actually enjoy watching him play because he's not a bloody Oiler!!

No only some idiots on HF say this is the one every year. Actual NHL scouts call Bedard the one. The only two prospects in the last 20 years that scouts labeled the same as Bedard were Crosby and McDavid. Go look at their Draft years in JR/tournaments. Again you see Bedard/Crosby/McDavid all in the same level and nobody else.

Bedard just dominanted the WHL as a 17 year old. He scored 71 goals next closest was 50 (who played 11 more games then Bedard). He led with 143 points next closest was 107 (also in 11 more games). No other 17 year olds have dominanted at JR level other then Crosby/McDavid in the last 20 years old. Then to top that off he goes and breaks Jagr's 33 year old record at a WJC-20 as a 17 year old with 23 points.

So again I ask who are these kids that were labeled "the next ones" in their draft by NHL scouts and also had generational production as a 17 year old?

. Finally someone with an older forum join date that is making some sense. They'll see soon enough (and act like they knew all along).

Yes, this is a full necro post. I'm not trying to be an asshole, really. I'm just curious what your takes are a year on. He's significantly below a PPG in his very short career. Are the points brought up in this thread true now? Too small, not a great skater, and plays on a bad team. Or was he just overhyped?

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I never have, just wondering what your thoughts are now.

It's probably been discussed at length in other threads, but I'm old, and I remembered this interaction this morning and went looking for the thread. Please feel free to delete it if it is being discussed elsewhere.
 
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this thread is a year old and we already have a Bedard thread on the first page.thank you.

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Edit: my bad there are actually two Bedard threads on the first page.
 
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