Bears & NFL Talk LXV: Kraft's a John & Parkey is cut

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Kaners Bald Spot

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That's why Adrian Amos won't be a huge loss. If the Bears offer 3 years at $17mn ... $11mn guaranteed, he should jump on it.

Bryce Callahan, slot corners, are far more valued. Bryce's issue is injuries. That should bring down his asking price.
Even though Callahan is good, he's the guy I expect them to lose and I don't think it is that horrible if they lose him. They can find a decent slot corner elsewhere.
 

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Adrian Amos strengths lie in the fact he has stayed relatively healthy but he's a non difference playmaker. In 4 seasons with the Bears and 60 games played he has a grand total of 2 sacks to his name and 3 ints. Bring him back on the cheap but he's expendable. Also that 15 yard personal foul late hit in the 4th quarter of the Philly playoff game was very costly as that was a 3rd down play and would have gotten the ball back to the offense in great field position.
 

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Even though Callahan is good, he's the guy I expect them to lose and I don't think it is that horrible if they lose him. They can find a decent slot corner elsewhere.

I think your underselling Callahan

They likely wont find a slot corner as good as him in FA or draft and he is also the only reliable tackler we have in secondary. Without him the Bears D is going to suffer in both pass and run game
 

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I think your underselling Callahan

They likely wont find a slot corner as good as him in FA or draft and he is also the only reliable tackler we have in secondary. Without him the Bears D is going to suffer in both pass and run game
Dude can't stay on the field. What does it matter anyway in that case? He's really good when healthy, but the Bears can't afford him. Depending on how Toliver develops this year, they're going to have to replace Amukamara in 2020. I don't see him sticking for the final year of his deal. I think the Bears really like Toliver, and for good reason as he was a second round talent that went undrafted due to overblown character concerns.

On a different note, I think that the Bears are going to use their own 2nd in 2020 and Howard to trade into the middle of the 2nd this year, and I think they're going to find some way to trade into the back end of the 1st using the Raiders 2nd in the 2020 draft. If Pace sees a guy he likes, he's not afraid to go get him.
 
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Dude can't stay on the field. What does it matter anyway in that case? He's really good when healthy, but the Bears can't afford him. Depending on how Toliver develops this year, they're going to have to replace Amukamara in 2020. I don't see him sticking for the final year of his deal. I think the Bears really like Toliver, and for good reason as he was a second round talent that went undrafted due to overblown character concerns.

On a different note, I think that the Bears are going to use their own 2nd in 2020 and Howard to trade into the middle of the 2nd this year, and I think they're going to find some way to trade into the back end of the 1st using the Raiders 2nd in the 2020 draft. If Pace sees a guy he likes, he's not afraid to go get him.

Callahan the last 3 years

11 games in 2016
12 games in 2017
13 games in 2018

36/48 possible games

Fuller the last 3 years
32/48 possible games

Trevathan the last 3 years
37/48 possible games

Floyd the last 3 years
38/48 possible game
 

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Dude can't stay on the field. What does it matter anyway in that case? He's really good when healthy, but the Bears can't afford him. Depending on how Toliver develops this year, they're going to have to replace Amukamara in 2020. I don't see him sticking for the final year of his deal. I think the Bears really like Toliver, and for good reason as he was a second round talent that went undrafted due to overblown character concerns.

On a different note, I think that the Bears are going to use their own 2nd in 2020 and Howard to trade into the middle of the 2nd this year, and I think they're going to find some way to trade into the back end of the 1st using the Raiders 2nd in the 2020 draft. If Pace sees a guy he likes, he's not afraid to go get him.
I agree Callahan can't stay healthy and that's a big concern. That will cut into his pay day. However, slot corners are extremely important nowadays due to the 3 receiver sets / spread. Slot corners are now considered starters and now being drafted in the 1st round for that purpose.

Good slot corners are hard to find. They get paid. Box safeties are a different story. As the running game gets de emphasized, box safeties are turning into LBs. They want 230 LBs who can run a 4.5 forty. 210 lbs strong safeties good against the run are being squeezed out. You have to be big enough and fast enough to cover TEs and ... strong and fast enough to be a sideline to sideline LB against the read option ... i.e. Roquan Smith.
 

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Callahan the last 3 years

11 games in 2016
12 games in 2017
13 games in 2018

36/48 possible games

Fuller the last 3 years
32/48 possible games

Trevathan the last 3 years
37/48 possible games

Floyd the last 3 years
38/48 possible game
And all 3, Fuller, Trevathan, and Floyd, have had all their health heavily scrutinized. That was a huge issue when we matched Green Bay's offer for Fuller last year. Tevathan would have been cut if he didn't stay healthy last year. Floyd's health will be a huge talking point when it comes to picking up his $15mn fifth year option this summer.
 
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Blewitt played somewhere in Pennsylvania, right? I remember making fun of his name ... until I realized he was pretty good.

Dave Toub said something interesting about kickers. He believes you should never draft a kicker. A kicker's character is the key for success. He wants his kickers to come from the bottom. Undrafted and forced to make pressure kicks from tryouts to preseason to make the team.
 

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Blewitt played somewhere in Pennsylvania, right? I remember making fun of his name ... until I realized he was pretty good..

Was he?

His 4 yrs at Pitt

FR - 14-18 on FG's (77.8%)
SO - 16-21 on FG's (76.2%)
JR - 15-23 on FG's (65.2%)
SR - 10-17 on FG's (58.8%)
Career at Pitt FG% = 69.6

Last game he played competitively was the Pinstripe Bowl vs Northwestern his SR year and he missed a FG in game

Maybe he is good and most kickers have poor FG% in NCAA but the fact all he got was a cup of coffee with Steelers after his college career ended says a lot

We shall see but Bears cant afford to f*** up at K position again like they have the past few years
 

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Was he?

His 4 yrs at Pitt

FR - 14-18 on FG's (77.8%)
SO - 16-21 on FG's (76.2%)
JR - 15-23 on FG's (65.2%)
SR - 10-17 on FG's (58.8%)
Career at Pitt FG% = 69.6

Last game he played competitively was the Pinstripe Bowl vs Northwestern his SR year and he missed a FG in game

Maybe he is good and most kickers have poor FG% in NCAA but the fact all he got was a cup of coffee with Steelers after his college career ended says a lot

We shall see but Bears cant afford to **** up at K position again like they have the past few years
Who knows? It's not like Robbie Gould killed it in college. His career FG% was 64%. His last year was 53%.

I don't think we can learn anything about Blewitt from his cup of coffee with the Steelers. Gould had a cup of coffee with the Patriots and working construction before the Bears gave him a tryout.

Blewitt was the kicker who hit the 48 yarder to beat Clemson on the final play of the game 3 years ago. That year, Clemson beat Bama to win the national championship.
 

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Looking objectively at the positional values on D I have to agree Callahan should be the priority. It is a passing league and most teams or all routinely deploy 3 WR sets. Callahan has been incredibly solid in his NB role. Health concern aside I think we could possibly get a discount.
Amos has also been valueable in run support but I think we can find a SS who is not a far drop off in talent. Let's see how it all shakes out.
 

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Looking objectively at the positional values on D I have to agree Callahan should be the priority. It is a passing league and most teams or all routinely deploy 3 WR sets. Callahan has been incredibly solid in his NB role. Health concern aside I think we could possibly get a discount.
Amos has also been valueable in run support but I think we can find a SS who is not a far drop off in talent. Let's see how it all shakes out.

All good points. In regards to Amos, it's rare to see him on an individual play stuffing the run game. He's mostly on gang tackles. Callahan definitely has better instincts and nose for the ball (he's the first one there before help arrives)
 

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Such a dumb move if true

Olsen situation all over again in which Bears give away pro bowl talent because our coach is fool

Gruden and his outdated systems would absolutely love a RB carrying the rock 30 times a game and averaging less than 4 yards a carry.
 

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Such a dumb move if true

Olsen situation all over again in which Bears give away pro bowl talent because our coach is fool

The bears shouldn’t have traddd Olsen but he didn’t make the pro bowl until 4 years after the bears traded him. Martellus Bennet made the pro bowl as a Bear the first time he did. Also Howard hasn’t been good for 2 years now
 

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Such a dumb move if true

Olsen situation all over again in which Bears give away pro bowl talent because our coach is fool

Nice troll job. The Bears turned Greg Olsen into Brandon Marshall.

Howard does not fit Nagy's system. Let the coach get the players he wants, that fits the system he runs. Howard is NOT that guy. Getting a 3rd or 4th for him is not "giving away pro bowl talent." Howard was an alternate, and he only went because David Johnson was injured and could not go.

With that said being a Pro Bowl player no longer means anything. The players could care less about the title. So stop treating being named to the "Pro Bowl" is still a thing, to which I argue it is not.

IMO, Howard is pretty much gone.
 
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