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I’d rather lose and get the higher pick. Packers missing the playoffs vs making it and losing early makes no difference to me.
 
Idionym said:
Hard disagree. You will never be "damn sure" a QB will be a big start barring a Luck or Lawrence-type QB prospect (which, obviously, is very rare). When it comes to drafting QBs, it's just maximizing odds rather than guarantees.

The truly worst thing that can happen is that the Bears place building a winning roster ahead of finding a franchise QB and continue to on the path of nearly every single Bears team before them: good to great rosters that were let down by a QB that couldn't keep up. We'll be winning 7 to 12 games every year, maybe get a couple playoffs wins, and then have to blow it up and rebuild because having enough elite players to prop up a meh QB is too expensive to be sustainable.

I'd rather us stay on the rookie QB carousel until we find the one, rather than get off prematurely. It's the only way to build a sustainably competitive roster.
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You bolded my comment where I mentioned I believe some fans are concerned about wasting the #1 pick on a QB they are not 100% sold on.

That doesnt imply they should ignore the QB problem. There could be 4-6 QB's taken in the first round and if the Bears decide they prefer someone who may fall lower in the draft - then they should move down and take advantage of the draft capital that the #1 being traded would bring.

And funny you mention Trevor Lawrence, because some Jag fans are tiring of him and his turnovers. And dont go running to look up his passing stats to throw back at me, as they wont shows his fumbles.

hawksrule said:
I’d rather lose and get the higher pick. Packers missing the playoffs vs making it and losing early makes no difference to me.
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I probably agree with you more than anyone else that posts here. But here, I think beating the Packers might get the monkey off their back and send the team's confidence heading in to the off-season to the moon.
 
I am the fickle person on QB being garuntee cause I didn't see it with Lawrence. I first saw him having a big long throwing motion. It seemed always a Cutler/Roethlisberger heavy turnover type was gonna be his outcome.

But I am still adamant these top QBs even 1st overalls, other than someone like a Luck, should sit and work on breaking down their footwork/mechanics and settling those down before they're too rigid in just doing what has worked but is poor in games.
 
Sarava said:
You bolded my comment where I mentioned I believe some fans are concerned about wasting the #1 pick on a QB they are not 100% sold on.

That doesnt imply they should ignore the QB problem. There could be 4-6 QB's taken in the first round and if the Bears decide they prefer someone who may fall lower in the draft - then they should move down and take advantage of the draft capital that the #1 being traded would bring.

And funny you mention Trevor Lawrence, because some Jag fans are tiring of him and his turnovers. And dont go running to look up his passing stats to throw back at me, as they wont shows his fumbles.
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You're 100% right, if the Bears are able to get a franchise QB later than the top 2 picks they should definitely do that!

That's not what you said in your post, however.
 
TLEH said:
Youre not going to trade out of 1 and take a QB. I can tell you that. The position is too important to take a risk like that.
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I would say you're more than likely correct. But it's not for sure. There's a lot of factors that could move that.
 
Sarava said:
I would say you're more than likely correct. But it's not for sure. There's a lot of factors that could move that.
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I mean I could see a team like trade out of 20 to take a QB they like at 27 if the rest of the teams have their QB. But trading out of 1 to hope you’re guy is there at like 12 is just too risky.
 
TLEH said:
I mean I could see a team like trade out of 20 to take a QB they like at 27 if the rest of the teams have their QB. But trading out of 1 to hope you’re guy is there at like 12 is just too risky.
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I get that.

I'm thinking more along the lines of if say Poles wants a guy like McCarthy, and is confident he can nab him with the Bears pick around #10. Then he could sell off the #1 for a kings ransom, and then he's improved the team in 4 or 5 different ways, and not just at QB. again, that's hypothetical if he were like to McCarthy and I'm not saying this is a likely scenario.
 
Sarava said:
That entire post was about picking a QB at #1
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You said the worst case scenario is if we pick a QB at 1 and he busts. I think the worst case scenario is we lock-in with Fields and a roster that's too good to be bad and have to go through another decade of desperation at the QB position.
 
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Idionym said:
You said the worst case scenario is if we pick a QB at 1 and he busts. I think the worst case scenario is we lock-in with Fields and a roster that's too good to be bad and have to go through another decade of desperation at the QB position.
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Yeah in my opinion that is worst case. If you blow the #1 pick on a QB that busts out, and actually downgrade your QB from Fields - that's really, really bad.

If you stick with Fields, which I wasn't advocating and I have said several times here lately that I don't support...but if you do, at least you don't blow the #1 pick in the draft and there's other avenues to eventually grab a QB.
 
Sarava said:
I get that.

I'm thinking more along the lines of if say Poles wants a guy like McCarthy, and is confident he can nab him with the Bears pick around #10. Then he could sell off the #1 for a kings ransom, and then he's improved the team in 4 or 5 different ways, and not just at QB. again, that's hypothetical if he were like to McCarthy and I'm not saying this is a likely scenario.
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There is also scenario in which say NE gets pick #3 and loves Williams and wants to jump up but Bears are higher on Maye and Daniels

Trade down to #3 and you will get one of those two + whatever you get to trade down
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
There is also scenario in which say NE gets pick #3 and loves Williams and wants to jump up but Bears are higher on Maye and Daniels

Trade down to #3 and you will get one of those two + whatever you get to trade down
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Yeah for sure...it could be that the Bears are fine with any of the 3 and move down, picking up extra assets and still have a guy they like.

You probably can read between the lines that I really want them to move down in my heart. I'll be 100% honest that's it all greed. I see what Poles did last year and I want to him to pull that off again. I 100% trust Ryan Poles. But if he does 100% want one of these guys at #1, then I of course will support grabbing that guy.

There just seems like a lot of questions. Forget what all of us want...we're just fans. I just watched a youtube with Chris Long and Kyle Long, and they both are all in that the Bears should keep Fields. They're not just dumb fans like us. There's seriously knowledgeable football people that see a lot of red flags with the choices at #1. The Bears have to sift through the negatives and positives of taking a guy there and I know they will.
 
If they’re convinced Caleb is the next Burrow, then sure, Poles has to take him. I personally think it’s as likely as not that Williams is no better than Fields.
 
Might this be another wrinkle for the Bears to straighten out by draft time?

Pick QB at #1
Trade #1 pick for lower/more draft capital, stick w/Fields.
Trade #1 and pick a QB lower w/Fields getting 5th year and possibly a franchise tag 1 year deal.

Is it possible, they might select the 3rd or 4th QB on the board and think it will work out better after watching for 2 years than the #1 QB would be from day 1?

I have heard that discussed anywhere.
 
Sarava said:
Yeah in my opinion that is worst case. If you blow the #1 pick on a QB that busts out, and actually downgrade your QB from Fields - that's really, really bad.

If you stick with Fields, which I wasn't advocating and I have said several times here lately that I don't support...but if you do, at least you don't blow the #1 pick in the draft and there's other avenues to eventually grab a QB.
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It’s hard to downgrade from fields. He’s going to end the year with less than 2600 passing yards. Trubisky had over 3200 twice in his first 3 hears

hawksrule said:
If they’re convinced Caleb is the next Burrow, then sure, Poles has to take him. I personally think it’s as likely as not that Williams is no better than Fields.
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Regardless of which team Williams ends up on next year I’ll bet you he throws for more yards in year 1 than fields does this year
 
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Illinihockey said:
It’s hard to downgrade from fields. He’s going to end the year with less than 2600 passing yards. Trubisky had over 3200 twice in his first 3 hears
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Fields has more total yards, more td’s, and fewer interceptions in three fewer games than Trubisky.
 
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Trubisky is the stick for nothing. He is terrible. I am interested in seeing how he plays in GB. They play zone coverage like 90% of the time and that is where Justin struggles the most.

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Illinihockey said:
In his second year Trubisky had 3600 yards and 27 TDs in 14 games, fields has 3000 and 20 this season in 12 games.
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Now do rushing yards. Or does that not apply here?

I wonder if this is what Bills fans use to crap on Ravens fans with Allen vs Jackson debate with Josh Allen throwing over 4,000 yards now going on 4 times, 30+ TD passes going on 4 times and Lamar Jackson never hitting the 4,000 mark and only the 30+ TD passes once. Meanwhile Lamar is working on his second MVP trophy.
 
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