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I don't like tying up that much cap in a non-premium position. Also I don't think Roquan has played that well this year and he looks to have lost a step.

You're bonkers if you think he hasn't played well, and has lost a step. He's on pace to finish with as many tackles, more sacks, and more INTs than he did last year. He leads the league in tackles, both solo and combined. This is absolute nonsense. You question someone else's knowledge of something regarding the NFL, then come back with a take like this... lol.
 
You're bonkers if you think he hasn't played well, and has lost a step. He's on pace to finish with as many tackles, more sacks, and more INTs than he did last year. He leads the league in tackles. This is absolute nonsense. You question someone else's knowledge of something regarding the NFL, then come back with a take like this... lol.
He looks slower than in years past. I know what the stats say about tackles and stuff, but that's because he's playing weakside linebacker in a cover 2 and that scheme funnels plays toward him. It's more about the scheme than him.
 
He looks slower than in years past. I know what the stats say about tackles and stuff, but that's because he's playing weakside linebacker in a cover 2 and that scheme funnels plays toward him. It's more about the scheme than him.
Different scheme. Gap control defense. No big bodies like Eddie Goldman or Hicks to clog up blockers. Read then react.
 
He looks slower than in years past. I know what the stats say about tackles and stuff, but that's because he's playing weakside linebacker in a cover 2 and that scheme funnels plays toward him. It's more about the scheme than him.

You could make the argument that WSLB is a premium position in a cover 2, because it is.....but I don't think he's passed the eye test this year.
The system was set up for him to rack up tackles before. And he did that then too.

But he's been making other good plays too. His sack Monday was a great move play design he hit perfect. (Though it also had Quinn taking extra blocking focus which will be gone now)

It's like you made up all your views of players of this team after week 2 and haven't changed them.
 
The system was set up for him to rack up tackles before. And he did that then too.

But he's been making other good plays too. His sack Monday was a great move play design he hit perfect. (Though it also had Quinn taking extra blocking focus which will be gone now)

It's like you made up all your views of players of this team after week 2 and haven't changed them.

This.
 
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No, I have a different opinion of Kyler Gordon now than I did then, for example.

Maybe, just maybe... you should stop making snap judgements on young players on very small sample sizes, so you have less walking back to do on your comments. You do it with players of every Chicago sports team.

You did it with Fields, Gordon, and I wonder if I could find some comments about Brisker, too, if I went back to look. You give players literally zero chance. You make these judgements of a player being good or bad based upon a 1 or 2 game sample size, which is ridiculous when it concerns rookies and very young players.

Fields basically just played his 7th pro game. The entire season last year is a throw-away. Yet you still snapped to judge his abilities after like 1 or 2 games this season. It's a big issue for you.
 
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Maybe you should stop making snap judgements on young players on very small sample sizes, so you have less walking back to do on your comments. You do it with players of every Chicago sports team.
You can only work with the data you have.
I'm not digging in on initial judgments or anything.
I've softened on Fields despite being against his drafting, for example.

Especially with Gordon/Brisker, I qualified it by saying "early returns" as I knew that there wasn't a ton of data yet.

And for all of the shit that you guys gave me about saying Fields is inaccurate he has absolutely been that as a pro.
 
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You can only work with the data you have.
I'm not digging in on initial judgments or anything.
I've softened on Fields despite being against his drafting, for example.

Especially with Gordon/Brisker, I qualified it by saying "early returns" as I knew that there wasn't a ton of data yet.

And for all of the shit that you guys gave me about saying Fields is inaccurate he has absolutely been that as a pro. I have not seen an NFL qb struggle with screens as much as he does.
Easy to be inaccurate when you have zero time to throw, and have to rush everything, because your Oline is below average, and allows you to be pressured and sacked more than any other team in the NFL. I've seen him put some nasty balls in some tight windows, and his WRs just fail to make plays. You just have zero patience, and expect a player will just not be good, unless they come out and look like a HoFer from game 1. Again... the guy has basically played 7 pro games.

So stop making those judgements and comments when you have microscopic data sets to work with...
 
Easy to be inaccurate when you have zero time to throw, and have to rush everything, because your Oline is below average, and allows you to be pressured and sacked more than any other team in the NFL. I've seen him put some nasty balls in some tight windows. You just have zero patience, and expect a player will just not be good, unless they come out and look like a HoFer from game 1.

So stop making those judgements and comments when you have microscopic data sets to work with...
That doesn't explain how much Fields struggles with screens. Those are supposed to be easy completions.

I think the main difference is that I'm willing to make early assessments on small sample size and am willing to change my mind as the data set expands. I usually qualify them with (early returns) or something like that.
 
That doesn't explain how much Fields struggles with screens. Those are supposed to be easy completions.

I said it multiple times watching this NE game on MNF. He rushes everything, because he's so used to having to either scramble, or get rid of the ball immediately when it hits his hands. Multiple times he rushed screen passes that he could have been far more patient with.

When you're used to being hit, pressured, and sacked as much as he is, it's not shocking that when he does have some time, he still tries to rush things, rather than being patient, taking his time, and putting an accurate throw out there. That will improve as his OL's play improves, and he gets confidence in them to protect him and give him time to make the plays. Right now, he has to have absolutely zero confidence in the OL.

If I were him, I'd be trying to rush things to get the ball out of my hand too. I'd be tired of being smashed whenever I try to stay in the pocket and throw.
 
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I said it multiple times watching this NE game on MNF. He rushes everything, because he's so used to having to either scramble, or get rid of the ball immediately when it hits his hands. Multiple times he rushed screen passes that he could have been far more patient with.

When you're used to being hit, pressured, and sacked as much as he is, it's not shocking that when he does have some time, he still tries to rush things, rather than being patient, taking his time, and putting an accurate throw out there. That will improve as his OL's play improves, and he gets confidence in them to protect him and give him time to make the plays. Right now, he has to have absolutely zero confidence in the OL.

If I were him, I'd be trying to rush things to get the ball out of my hand too. I'd be tired of being smashed whenever I try to stay in the pocket and throw.
Fair.

Anyway, I'd trade Roquan anyway because they need weapons for Fields and they can only get them through the draft and via trade. FA is a barren wasteland for skill positions. They should be spending their FA money on the OL and DL next year.
 
Fair.

Anyway, I'd trade Roquan anyway because they need weapons for Fields and they can only get them through the draft and via trade. FA is a barren wasteland for skill positions. They should be spending their FA money on the OL and DL next year.

2023 WR FAs.

I'd be more than willing to use some cap on a couple of these guys. Fields needs a couple weapons.

  • Byron Pringle, Chicago Bears
  • Allen Lazard, Green Bay Packers
  • Deonte Harris, New Orleans Saints
  • Jamison Crowder, Buffalo Bills
  • A.J, Green, Arizona Cardinals
  • Mecole Hardman, Kansas City Chiefs
  • JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kansas City Chiefs
  • Jarvis Landry, New Orleans Saints
  • Nelson Agholor, New England Patriots
  • Sammy Watkins, Green Bay Packers
  • Zach Pascal, Philadelphia Eagles
  • Keelan Cole, Las Vegas Raiders
  • Willie Snead, San Francisco 49ers
  • Parris Campbell, Indianapolis Colts
  • Greg Ward, Philadelphia Eagles
  • Darius Slayton, New York Giants
  • Demarcus Robinson, Baltimore Ravens
  • Sterling Shepard, New York Giants
  • Randall Cobb, Green Bay Packers
  • James Washington, Dallas Cowboys
  • DJ Chark, Detroit Lions
  • Marvin Jones, Jacksonville Jaguars
  • Julio Jones, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
  • Cam Sims, Washington Commanders
  • N’Keal Harry, Chicago Bears
  • Josh Gordon, Tennessee Titans
  • Jalen Guyton, Los Angeles Chargers
They have like 100m in cap next year. They'll be able to address multiple positions of need with that space.
 
Seeing as I can barely pay attention to the Bears, let alone the rest of the terrible NFL product? No. Not really. If a 4th is a solid return, I stand corrected. It doesn't seem like the Bears turn many 4th rounders into NFL players, but maybe that's just my perspective being skewed by being a fan of a terrible organization.

So just on the bears you have taken in the 4th or later, Eddie Jackson, Mooney, Herbert, Braxton Jones, vildor, borom, and Dominique Robinson. Kwitkowski was a 4th rounder as well and he’s a serviceable nfl linebacker

Why? Despite rebuilding, you still need quality players when you're ready to compete, and it doesn't look like they're nearly as far off as people originally thought. With like 100m in cap space next year, they can be right back in the thick of things as early as next year.

They have a great RB tandem, a QB that is progressing well with legitimate coaching, and a generally good looking secondary that also continually improves each game.

They need a couple legitimate receiving options for Fields, and then work on the DL and OL.

I’m so torn on this one. At the least I’d franchise him and keep him for next season
 
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Frees up 10 more million in cap space next season. Bears have 125 million (!!) in cap space overall now for next year.
 
Fair.

Anyway, I'd trade Roquan anyway because they need weapons for Fields and they can only get them through the draft and via trade. FA is a barren wasteland for skill positions. They should be spending their FA money on the OL and DL next year.
Roquan’s return won’t be high as he’s on the 5th year option so he is going to command big money. And like others have said LB today isn’t a premium position anymore. Adams and Ramsey and Fitzpatrick were dealt on their rookie deals so the acquiring team got a couple of cheaper years. Not the case with Smith. So a 2nd is probably the best they can hope for.

The rest of the roster, who do they not plan on bringing back? Move guys out that are not in the 2023 plans of there are offers on the table.
 
So just on the bears you have taken in the 4th or later, Eddie Jackson, Mooney, Herbert, Braxton Jones, vildor, borom, and Dominique Robinson. Kwitkowski was a 4th rounder as well and he’s a serviceable nfl linebacker



I’m so torn on this one. At the least I’d franchise him and keep him for next season
But you know how players today feel about the franchise tag. So you’d be talking about smith signing it on the very last day possible thus no training camp. Not exactly hitting the ground running next season.

With that much cap room the bears are going shopping in the off season thus if they let Smith walk, they likely would Not get a comp pick for him since they would be signing someone who would get roughly the same type of contract Smith gets thus negating that comp pick.

So, if they are not prepared to pay him this off season, the TDL is the time to move him if they want something in return.
 
But you know how players today feel about the franchise tag. So you’d be talking about smith signing it on the very last day possible thus no training camp. Not exactly hitting the ground running next season.

With that much cap room the bears are going shopping in the off season thus if they let Smith walk, they likely would Not get a comp pick for him since they would be signing someone who would get roughly the same type of contract Smith gets thus negating that comp pick.

So, if they are not prepared to pay him this off season, the TDL is the time to move him if they want something in return.

Didn’t he miss all of camp this year? They don’t get a comp pick if they let him walk this year but if they franchise him and then he walks they might
 


Quinn was listed by these stats as like the 4th most double teamed guy this year. So the D might drop despite him not finishing he still go into his, make qbs step up zone plenty.

Though this doesn't rate that Judon guy who dominated Borom all game too great. Mack also hardly gets double teamed this year
 
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