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We all want Fields to be great.

I just can't help but think that the Bears will find some way to f*** him up. Then he goes elsewhere and is good.

BTW if the finalists are really Poles' guys, I'd choose Caldwell, with the caveat that Poles/Caldwell grabs the guy that should be his successor for OC.
 
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Caldwell would be a completely uninspired hire a la john fox. Theyd deserve the mediocrity that would follow.
 
He has a proven track record with QBs of the tier of Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford, and then doing really nothing with them when push came to shove.

I'm not going to riot if we hire him, but I'm not going to expect us to take many huge steps forward either with him.
 
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We all want Fields to be great.

I just can't help but think that the Bears will find some way to f*** him up. Then he goes elsewhere and is good.

BTW if the finalists are really Poles' guys, I'd choose Caldwell, with the caveat that Poles/Caldwell grabs the guy that should be his successor for OC.

You did nothing but criticize the pick, and you've done nothing but talk shit about him his entire tenure here. I doubt you want him to be great.

You need to find some optimism and positivity, bud. I don't think I know a more negative person in existence.
 
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You did nothing but criticize the pick, and you've done nothing but talk shit about him his entire tenure here. I doubt you want him to be great.

You need to find some optimism and positivity, bud. I don't think I know a more negative person in existence.
I want him to be great because he's the Bears QB.

I've seen some advanced stats that give me reason to be optimistic about him.
 
Yeah I really doubt this.
Believe what you want to believe, but in no way am I rooting for him to fail.

I shit on Fields this year because he was bad. Idk how much of that has to do with Nagy's incompetence and the OL, and how much is on him.

I didn't like Fields coming out of the draft because most of the games I watched of his against other good teams, he was pretty bad.

When someone pointed out that Aaron Rodgers is historically good when it comes to turnover prevention, I guess I didn't realize it because I held everyone to that standard. There's having high standards, and then there's ridiculousness. I guess I don't know the difference most of the time.

I used to think 12 INT was too many.
 
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He has a proven track record with QBs of the tier of Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford, and then doing really nothing with them when push came to shove.

I'm not going to riot if we hire him, but I'm not going to expect us to take many huge steps forward either with him.
I don’t recall ever hearing Manning praise Caldwell and he generally has been thorough with recognizing who helped him over the years. Did Caldwell really have much influence on Manning’s success?
 
I don’t recall ever hearing Manning praise Caldwell and he generally has been thorough with recognizing who helped him over the years. Did Caldwell really have much influence on Manning’s success?

That's akin to my point. He coached a definite hall of famer and a probable hall of famer, neither of whom I think would credit him for their success or development. I don't really give him good marks for developing QBs, he inherited good positions in both places he's been with. If we hire Caldwell, okay.... I'm not going to cheer about it, but he wouldn't be a guaranteed bomb like Urban Meyer was either.

And with respect to Kaner, I'm in the same boat as him from the sounds of it. I was critical of drafting Fields and haven't seen much from him to be hopeful for his potential as a longterm QB, but his career's still young and I definitely hope he does develop into our answer at QB for the next 10-15 years. Those aren't incongruent positions to simultaneously take.
 
Some of peyton's least impressive years were with caldwell at HC. I also wouldnt be surprised to find out that he's still a little sour over the fact caldwell benched him up a td while the colts were 14-0 and cost them a chance to try for an undefeated season. I remember him standing on the sidelines with his helmet on seemingly in protest.
 
Yeah, as someone that went to college in Indiana during all of that, I can attest to how much he enraged the Colts fanbase by that move. They were gunning all year for a perfect season and were incensed that Caldwell threw that away, and many to this day believe that the season was ultimately lost there as the team noticeably lost their mojo right from that.
 
I also seem to remember him slammin the breaks at the end of the first half in the SB against the saints instead of trying to expand their lead. That could be me misremembering though.
 
Little conflicting of routes with Fields. Bringing Kafka would help keep a probably same terminology overall style structure with just new focuses to the offense which could help team consistency.

But going with a Caldwell or elsewhere focus on highlighting Fields deep passing skills style would probably work best ideally for him.
 
I would be cool with Dan Quinn.

For the GM thing. Honestly, this Poles thing feels like deja vu from the Pace hiring. Rising young assistant from a top organization, great eye for talent, that most in the NFL say is an amazing hire. And they're less than a year apart in age from what Pace was when he was hired. But hey, just because Pace failed, doesn't mean Poles will as well. So I'm fine with it and hope the guys kills it.
Yeah this is basically how I feel about Poles. We obviously know very little about him at this point but I'm not impressed or unimpressed, definitely nervous though.

I was really hoping for a more experienced guy who could lead the Bears football operations. This is another guy with minimal experience and a guy who has not been outside more than one, largely well run organization.

I think what is REALLY kind of weird though is they had like 12 zoom interviews and only had 1 in person interview and just hired that guy. Obviously they liked him, fair enough, but it's just really strange to me they spent so long talking to so many people and didn't interview at least 2-3 in person.

Again, not necessarily bad, just strange.
 
Yeah this is basically how I feel about Poles. We obviously know very little about him at this point but I'm not impressed or unimpressed, definitely nervous though.

I was really hoping for a more experienced guy who could lead the Bears football operations. This is another guy with minimal experience and a guy who has not been outside more than one, largely well run organization.

I think what is REALLY kind of weird though is they had like 12 zoom interviews and only had 1 in person interview and just hired that guy. Obviously they liked him, fair enough, but it's just really strange to me they spent so long talking to so many people and didn't interview at least 2-3 in person.

Again, not necessarily bad, just strange.

You just described most GM’s. Also what do you mean by minimal experience?
 


Believe what you want to believe, but in no way am I rooting for him to fail.

I shit on Fields this year because he was bad. Idk how much of that has to do with Nagy's incompetence and the OL, and how much is on him.

I didn't like Fields coming out of the draft because most of the games I watched of his against other good teams, he was pretty bad.

When someone pointed out that Aaron Rodgers is historically good when it comes to turnover prevention, I guess I didn't realize it because I held everyone to that standard. There's having high standards, and then there's ridiculousness. I guess I don't know the difference most of the time.

I used to think 12 INT was too many.

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Statistically, it's very true. Mitch had a better passer rating as a rookie. Fields threw more INTs than TDs. (as a rookie I expect it to be close to 1-1)

PFF is a huge fan though.

I'm wait and see at this point. There are reasons to be excited and reasons to be concerned.

The microstats are reasons why he might be good in the future.
 
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Statistically, it's very true. Mitch had a better passer rating as a rookie. Fields threw more INTs than TDs. (as a rookie I expect it to be close to 1-1)

PFF is a huge fan though.

I'm wait and see at this point. There are reasons to be excited and reasons to be concerned.

The microstats are reasons why he might be good in the future.

It's almost like you didn't watch this team play all season.
 
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It's almost like you didn't watch this team play all season.
You thought Fields was good? I know he's a rookie and all but he was objectively terrible for most of the season. The two game stretch against SF and Pittsburgh was the exception.

There are definitely tools, he flashed at times and there are reasons to be hopeful. I'm not counting any chickens and he has to prove it on the field.
 
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