Beaudoin had a tough night. The puck would not settle down for him and/or he tried to play faster than he is capable of.
Barrie Colts 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I
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Beaudoin had a tough night. The puck would not settle down for him and/or he tried to play faster than he is capable of.
ELIASSON doesnt appear to play top 4. If they can get a guy like Konnor Smith at deadline it will likely take Vaughan given the assets and picks they have available. Maybe I'm wrong. They did trade Punnett for very little so who knows.
My opinion is this team needs some more grit and toughness. Their D are highly skilled I wouldn't say they are overly physical. You need grit to win in playoffs. Outside of a couple of them they dont play a physical game. Early on . Other teams are just going to try to intimidate them. It would be a shame to waste this roster. If I'm Atcheson or his representation I wouldnt be too happy with him having go scrap every game. He's likely a 1st round pick.
Wakely is an awesome addition. The roster is impressive. Hillebrandt is excellent and they can win with him. Its tough to lose Moses but they are in the win now mode.
Most of their forwards don't hit anything. Atcheson, Passmore maybe Eliasson are the only ones willing to drop the gloves on D and now that Moses is gone the only forward they have that will fight is J Newton who is a late 07 and hardly gets any ice. I don't think you really want Wakely fighting much. Marty doesnt play his 4th line so I would think Vaughan will be asking out anyways. Newton may ask out as well. He's in year 2. Every other top draft pick like Vaughan is playing a lot on their teams. He's a 5th pick overall and they play Lowe, N Newton and Derbidge more than him. Something there doesnt make much sense. You still have to look beyond this season. Why would any young player want to sign in Barrie with the way Marty plays his kids.
Going to be an interesting team to follow.
My opinion is this team needs some more grit and toughness. Their D are highly skilled I wouldn't say they are overly physical. You need grit to win in playoffs. Outside of a couple of them they dont play a physical game. Early on . Other teams are just going to try to intimidate them. It would be a shame to waste this roster. If I'm Atcheson or his representation I wouldnt be too happy with him having go scrap every game. He's likely a 1st round pick.
Wakely is an awesome addition. The roster is impressive. Hillebrandt is excellent and they can win with him. Its tough to lose Moses but they are in the win now mode.
Most of their forwards don't hit anything. Atcheson, Passmore maybe Eliasson are the only ones willing to drop the gloves on D and now that Moses is gone the only forward they have that will fight is J Newton who is a late 07 and hardly gets any ice. I don't think you really want Wakely fighting much. Marty doesnt play his 4th line so I would think Vaughan will be asking out anyways. Newton may ask out as well. He's in year 2. Every other top draft pick like Vaughan is playing a lot on their teams. He's a 5th pick overall and they play Lowe, N Newton and Derbidge more than him. Something there doesnt make much sense. You still have to look beyond this season. Why would any young player want to sign in Barrie with the way Marty plays his kids.
Going to be an interesting team to follow.
ShooterMcGavin98
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With the way he plays, I'm surprised Eliasson hasn't dropped the gloves the yet. I think we will see that sooner rather than later though. I don't think Aitcheson minds fighting, as that and the grit he plays with are a part of the reason he is a projected first-rounder. I do agree that a bit more grit upfront would be welcome.
If there gonna make a trade at a D and trade Vaughan I would much rather trade for Gibson in the soo than smith in Owen sound Gibson is a 05 so u get a better player and don’t use a OA spot plus he’s right handed. Right now on there D they have 5 Left 2 Right. I personally think the defence will be good with what they have last night 3 goals were pp and Hillebrandt struggled. The lack of play from Vaughan is absurd to me he’s way better than Lowe and Derbidge it’s not even funny yet Marty loves playing Lowe even though he has no skill and no toughness he’s one of the guys that should be fighting but won’t.
Where did K.Smith find the ability to accrue points? I’m impressed.
That last thing Barrie needs is to waste the few picks they have remaining on K.Smith. Vaughn, that just seems like wishful thinking on your part.
Aitcheson, Akey, and Bertucci will play 25+ minutes per game. Eliasson and Passmore are plenty big and capable of clearing the crease.
Eliasson made a couple of nice defensive plays last night. By mid-season, he would probably be a top 3 for a majority of teams.
Aitcheson has DeAngelis wearing a full bubble a week after their fight. He already fought Smith in pre-season, with Smith feeling the need for a do-over late in that same game.
I agree rumour is Cole brown in brantford could be available wouldn’t mind the colts looking into that for the right price aswell that wouldn’t cost Vaughan. I seriously don’t think Vaughan should be traded but at the same time if Marty is gonna keep him on the 4th line all year then his advisors aren’t gonna be happy and want him gone. See how Hrebik does the first half the year aswell may want a more experienced backup for a deep playoff run aswell
Gibson would be huge get-maybe the best possible option if another R D is on Barrie's wishlist. What would Cam Allen cost/would Guelph move him? These are big ifs. I agree they are already excellent and D may not be a priority. I just think you have to anticipate someone being injured at some point. I wouldnt want to be a D short or using a young inexperienced D come playoffs with a team like this.
Atcheson is a tough customer no question. I just would like to see him get some support in that regard so he doesn't feel the need to go whenever someone takes liberties with a teammate because that's what he does. That's a big reason scouts love the kid he's absolutely fearless. If you think Passmore is the answer then find someone that's capable in that regard up front. Currently none of their forwards are heavies. If I'm a less skilled team playing against Barrie I'm going after their horses. Marty's track record of trading youngsters speaks for itself as much as it would be nice to keep Vaughan, they are all in and there is nothing left that would get a high return unless he decides to trade a Stewart, Passmore or a Patterson which I don't see happening. I don't think anyone believes Marty is done. Maybe they have enough already but you have to wait to see London/Brampton/Oshawa's next move(s) before you can determine that.
Atcheson is a tough customer no question. I just would like to see him get some support in that regard so he doesn't feel the need to go whenever someone takes liberties with a teammate because that's what he does. That's a big reason scouts love the kid he's absolutely fearless. If you think Passmore is the answer then find someone that's capable in that regard up front. Currently none of their forwards are heavies. If I'm a less skilled team playing against Barrie I'm going after their horses. Marty's track record of trading youngsters speaks for itself as much as it would be nice to keep Vaughan, they are all in and there is nothing left that would get a high return unless he decides to trade a Stewart, Passmore or a Patterson which I don't see happening. I don't think anyone believes Marty is done. Maybe they have enough already but you have to wait to see London/Brampton/Oshawa's next move(s) before you can determine that.
Among the 5 teams that want to contend in the east, only Brampton needs to be concerned about the size of their forwards.
Barrie must have one the heaviest forward groups in the league. Wakely, Wigle, Beaudoin, Patterson, Hemming, Lowe, Derbidge are all 195-215 lbs; and Vaughn is already 190. I think Jelsma is the only forward among the top 12 not 6’.
There’s not many true heavies in the league anymore Marty may try to add one to play 4th line but I think size on this team isn’t a real issue. I think if they do bring in a heavy it’d be a 05 forward that teams wouldn’t consider for a OA spot guys like Horner in Ottawa or messier in Erie could be options for a 4th line role that can fight but ain’t a ton of options.
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In all fairness it’s the pay. If you see an ohl ref staying in the OHL for a while. Chances are there is a reason(not good enough for elsewhere)
Great team win tonight can’t imagine how good they’ll look adding Jelsma. Martone was chirping Aitchenson all game and screwed around and found out at the end he’s lucky those lineys stepped in lol
JetsColts13
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Colts starting to look like a very good team. It's a very nice feeling that it seems the Colts can roll any of the defenceman on the roster against anyone in the league and be in good shape. Jelsma has gotta be ecstatic to get back into this lineup.
He must be pumped id say u slide him onto the line with Wigle and hemming. U have that line plus the line that’s been firing on all cylinders this weekend of Stewart Wakely Gardiner then u still have a line with Beaudoin and Patterson. After watching tonight’s game I think Barrie’s main target going forward should be a winger to play with Beaudoin and Patterson. Derbidge ain’t that guy unfortunately maybe him on the 4th line with could work but I think Lowe J.Newton Vaughan is probably that line. The 4th line had some very good shifts tonight especially in the 3rd and were on the ice for Eliasson’s goal. The more I watch Vaughan the more I think he should play I really hope he doesn’t get traded. But definitely a lot to look forward to but u know teams like Oshawa Brampton and brantford aren’t close to done adding yet.
Lots of options up front where they are able to keep Vaughan.
Will be interesting to see how lines shape up when Jelsma returns.
I really like the Wakely line. That is a strong 1F. Would leave that for now. Stewart impresses me more and more I watch him. Gardiner looks great on the wing.
Most are assuming York will be out but York Beaudoin and Patterson was a strong line last season. Could be a strong 2F.
Jelsma could slot on left side on either line and likely make both lines that much stronger. No disrespect to York or Stewart but Jelsma is a horse and their Captain for a reason.
Maybe its Wigle who is odd OA out but Jels Wigle and Hemming would likely be as strong as the other 2 so clearly Marty has some options and tough decisions to make. Team is going to be exciting to follow.
Agreed Marty could likely find a goal scoring LW 05 to play with Beaudoin and Patterson that doesn't cost them Vaughan which gives them three strong lines.
N. Newton is still in the mix who can play up the middle as an option to replace Wigle if they keep York over Wigle.
I agree I would keep Vaughan because if you trade him both your 07/08 firsts would be gone with Beaudoin having good chance to stick with Utah next year that could be your 06/07/08 firsts all gone next season. That's tough and would be surprised if owner is ok with that possibility.
If they keep Vaughan Marty will have to find a way to get whatever the 4th line is more ice bc Vaughan has to get his minutes. 4th line hasn't hurt the team in very limited minutes they've played and looked really good last night. J Newton is a very defensive minded center. Vaughan doesn't play like a rookie and whoever has played on the other side whether it has been Derbidge or Dubowski can both play. N Newton and Lowe could also bump other 2 to play with Vaughan but it doesn't really matter given Marty's 4th line is more of an afterthought for him. That line just cant hurt the team they need to be strong defensively.
Will be interesting to see how lines shape up when Jelsma returns.
I really like the Wakely line. That is a strong 1F. Would leave that for now. Stewart impresses me more and more I watch him. Gardiner looks great on the wing.
Most are assuming York will be out but York Beaudoin and Patterson was a strong line last season. Could be a strong 2F.
Jelsma could slot on left side on either line and likely make both lines that much stronger. No disrespect to York or Stewart but Jelsma is a horse and their Captain for a reason.
Maybe its Wigle who is odd OA out but Jels Wigle and Hemming would likely be as strong as the other 2 so clearly Marty has some options and tough decisions to make. Team is going to be exciting to follow.
Agreed Marty could likely find a goal scoring LW 05 to play with Beaudoin and Patterson that doesn't cost them Vaughan which gives them three strong lines.
N. Newton is still in the mix who can play up the middle as an option to replace Wigle if they keep York over Wigle.
I agree I would keep Vaughan because if you trade him both your 07/08 firsts would be gone with Beaudoin having good chance to stick with Utah next year that could be your 06/07/08 firsts all gone next season. That's tough and would be surprised if owner is ok with that possibility.
If they keep Vaughan Marty will have to find a way to get whatever the 4th line is more ice bc Vaughan has to get his minutes. 4th line hasn't hurt the team in very limited minutes they've played and looked really good last night. J Newton is a very defensive minded center. Vaughan doesn't play like a rookie and whoever has played on the other side whether it has been Derbidge or Dubowski can both play. N Newton and Lowe could also bump other 2 to play with Vaughan but it doesn't really matter given Marty's 4th line is more of an afterthought for him. That line just cant hurt the team they need to be strong defensively.
Edit: one too many OAs
We will see how it plays over the next couple of month, but the roster could possibly be set. It should not give up many goals.
Wigle-Jelsma-Hemming
Stewart-Wakely-Gardiner
York-Beaudoin-Patterson
Lowe-J.Newton-Vaughn
That fourth line could be together three seasons.
We will see how it plays over the next couple of month, but the roster could possibly be set. It should not give up many goals.
Wigle-Jelsma-Hemming
Stewart-Wakely-Gardiner
York-Beaudoin-Patterson
Lowe-J.Newton-Vaughn
That fourth line could be together three seasons.
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That’s exactly what I think the lines should be then u find a 05 to play with Beaudoin and Patterson. Some options could be brown in brantford or Foster in Ottawa or Wainwright in sarnia or Willis is Saginaw or McCue in Owen sound. Don’t know outta those 5 names who would even become available but are all options Barrie could entertain. Also all players u should be able to get for draft picks and maybe a player like Nolan Newton not Vaughan.
Ideally, Williamson can convince Mustard and Chicago that Barrie is the best place for him to play.
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I agree that a player can be had that will fulfill the need without trading Vaughn.
What a get that would be. Imagine his speed with CoBo and Patterson.
I agree that a player can be had that will fulfill the need without trading Vaughn.
I love that option of Mustard but I feel that’s very unlikely to happen this year. Maybe if he goes a full year at provinace with little production he comes to Barrie next year after a summer to think about a year in Barrie next year before he goes to the Ahl as a 20 year old
William Moore fulfills his commitment with USNDP after this year and will likely be a high 1st rounder. Whoever drafts him will tell him where to play if he doesnt stick. Hopefully it's with Barrie as opposed to BC. No need to tear down next year they will still have a lot of pieces and if they arent in the mix you soft sell Beaudoin/Aitcheson/your OAs at the deadline and rebuild the prospects pool.
And Patterson and potentially both imports. Yes I think Barrie has the chance to take a 2 year run at this and don’t think they should go crazy and make anymore major moves this year other than potentially 1 forward that won’t cost a arm and a leg to get.
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I think they could develop PV94 with Beaudoin & Patterson. He's not strong enough to play a grind em out style game and he's too skilled to leave with a couple of bangers. He needs good players to play a skilled puck possession, creative game with.
That could happen and I wouldn’t mind that option but I don’t think Marty will do that. Plus his love for Lowe is probably too much and he’ll have him play top 9 mins which is not smart. Patterson is a righty same as Vaughan so if one of them was able to play the off wing it could potentially work I just don’t see it happening. That’s why I think the colts add a 2nd line lefty that has speed and can score like some of the names I listed in a previous post. Just hope Vaughan gets more ice when he’s back from u17’s and he’s not traded in January.
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I agree and I don't see what he loves so much about Lowe, I don't see it. I thought about the righty situation and figure Vaughan will eventually be a C so playing his off wing not a bad idea for his development either. His playmaking & vision would benefit both Beaudoin & Patterson big time, probably more so than anyone they can grab on the market plus he doesn't cost anything since we already have him. He also has some pretty good compete to go with his skill. I also hope Marty finds a way to get him some more ice, whatever the end solution ends up being.
