Is there some magic stat that quantifies stick handling? If so I'm interested; it's based on opinion at the end of the day, and I'll trust the players over you or me any day. Not to mention somehow you think 0.83 vs 1.18 is fairly close?
Barkov shutdown style slightly overrated?
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barkov - 2.44 per 60
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DRAISAITL - 2.69 PER 60
barkov - 2.44 per 60
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Advanced stats say barkov is a great player, i'm not denying that for any minute.
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Yeah they also voted a 150 year old Crosby as the "most complete player" and Leon Draistl as "the best passer". Mark Messier and PK Subban routinely choose the wrong teams to win series. Point is the professionals aren't always right. Neither am I or you. Which is why I prefer to resort numbers.
Yah? I mean those would be considered pretty accurate. What in the hell is one or two people predicting a series win, vs a player they ACTUALLY play against as the best in a specific style or play have to do with anything. Once again you keep reaching over and over again.
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Maybe
But again you keep laughing at the idea that the worlds best 2 way C could create some problems for McDavid
But nope, this series will be all about McDavid doing whatever he wants and potting 3-4 points per game
You’re clearly not familiar with Barkovs game at all
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This thread is going to get really interesting after game 1 if either:
McDavid goes pointless
McDavid has 4 points
Even though it will just be a one game sample size.
McDavid goes pointless
McDavid has 4 points
Even though it will just be a one game sample size.
Yep. A lot of cases where "two-way forwards" get overrated defensively, but this really is the case where Barkov is properly rated. He is the best two-way forward in the league.
It's 2024 people. Stop referencing plus/minus. He has elite defensive metrics, and visually, this guys is a wet blanket against opposition offensive players with his size, strength, range (long stick for poke checks/stick lifts) and ability to dominate the wall and cut inside when he has a step.
People who are lukewarm on Barkov really don't know puck.
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Nobody is allowed to say Barkov is underrated anymore. Anyone who actually watches hockey know he's an excellent player. this isn't 2019.
This reminds me of Loui Eriksson....Underrated, underrated, underrated until he turned to junk, then was overrated because he was underrated for so long.
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Barkov still gets regularly underrated
If you think he’s just an excellent player, he’s one of the most impactfull players in the league yet rarely gets mentioned at the top. More like he’s just excellent
NHL Playoff Rank: The top 50 players, led by Auston Matthews at No. 1
With Matthews in the top spot, where do MacKinnon, McDavid and Panarin rank? What about the top goalies? Here's what our voters think.
& for example on that list he was ranked 19th most valuable player for these playoffs..
People underrate the value of defense& shutting down top line and just keep looking at offense.
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Anybody is allowed to say he is underrated until he’s accurately rated-which he’s not. He was voted most underrated this season by his peers? Nice job comparing him to Loui Eriksson. You just underrated Barkov because you don’t recognize greatness.
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I've seen Edmonton lose playoff series with McDavid. You mean this year?
He didn't say he was the same as Eriksson. He said it was the same phenomenon where every year he's voted "most underrated".
If you're voted most "underrated" 5 seasons in a row, you're not underrated. Everyone knows you're extremely good.
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“Chicks dig the long ball”Barkov still gets regularly underrated
If you think he’s just an excellent player, he’s one of the most impactfull players in the league yet rarely gets mentioned at the top. More like he’s just excellent
NHL Playoff Rank: The top 50 players, led by Auston Matthews at No. 1
With Matthews in the top spot, where do MacKinnon, McDavid and Panarin rank? What about the top goalies? Here's what our voters think.www.espn.com
& for example on that list he was ranked 19th most valuable player for these playoffs..
People underrate the value of defense& shutting down top line and just keep looking at offense.
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Then why does it so rarely shift into rankings and where he’s ranked?
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I literally said he's an excellent player, I also said anybody who watches hockey can see how good he is.
It's like you want him to be underrated just so you have a reason to be outraged...We know he's good, he's the best in the league at what he does.
Not sure what your mad about here...
Yah thats the issue I don't get, we all say he's great. Then they start making weird comparisons to ALL time goats.
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Barkov not underrated anymore?
Not on the list
Not on the list
www.espn.com
19th on the list
Not on the list
But good thing he’s not underrated, all know he’s ”excellent”
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Ranking the NHL's Top 25 Players for 2023-24
If there's something we love to do here at Bleacher Report, it's rank things. Players, teams, jerseys, logos...you name it, we want to rank something No. 1…
syndication.bleacherreport.com
Not on the list
NHL Playoff Rank: The top 50 players, led by Auston Matthews at No. 1
With Matthews in the top spot, where do MacKinnon, McDavid and Panarin rank? What about the top goalies? Here's what our voters think.
19th on the list
Nathan MacKinnon usurps Connor McDavid in TSN's mid-season player ranking - TSN.ca
The first crack in a near decade-and-a-half Crosby-McDavid dynasty has appeared. Nathan MacKinnon is TSN’s mid-season choice as the NHL’s No. 1 player.
www.tsn.ca
Not on the list
But good thing he’s not underrated, all know he’s ”excellent”
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He's a point per game, perennial Selke candidate, where should he be?Barkov not underrated anymore?
Not on the list
Ranking the NHL's Top 25 Players for 2023-24
If there's something we love to do here at Bleacher Report, it's rank things. Players, teams, jerseys, logos...you name it, we want to rank something No. 1…syndication.bleacherreport.com
Not on the list
NHL Playoff Rank: The top 50 players, led by Auston Matthews at No. 1
With Matthews in the top spot, where do MacKinnon, McDavid and Panarin rank? What about the top goalies? Here's what our voters think.
19th on the list
Nathan MacKinnon usurps Connor McDavid in TSN's mid-season player ranking - TSN.ca
The first crack in a near decade-and-a-half Crosby-McDavid dynasty has appeared. Nathan MacKinnon is TSN’s mid-season choice as the NHL’s No. 1 player.www.tsn.ca
Not on the list
But good thing he’s not underrated, all know he’s ”excellent”
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So we are back to underrating him?
Those lists have multiple ridiculous names ahead of him
Edit, and even with calling him a point per game player you are underrating him. He’s clearly a +ppg player
80 in 73
78 in 68
88 in 67
With a career high of 96
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I do not consider click-bait media nonsense to be an accurate reflection of knowledgeable hockey fans. Florida is not the same as Toronto for hockey coverage, so those outlets are going to pander to their audience, hence Barkov gets left off a lot of those lists.
KNOWLEDGEABLE fans see he's a top 10-15 player in the game, but any higher than that is just overcompensating for the lack of love he gets from clueless media.
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