Blue Jays Discussion: Back in Toronto AND things are happening (trade deadline @ 4pm ET/1pm PT today)

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Is this the end for Davis as a Jay? He's one of the longest-tenured players
He seems a safe bet to accept assignment and stay with the team. The rest of MLB isn't going to be clamoring for 55 wRC+ outfielders even if they are high end defenders. And one injury on this team means he's right back up as the 4th OF.
 
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Well, let's start this playoff run right with another blowout win today and a sweep this weekend! Can't wait to see Manoah back tomorrow and likely Berrios on Sunday!

Opposing pitcher tonight looks like a candidate to go about 2.1 giving up 6 or so runs.
 
Well, let's start this playoff run right with another blowout win today and a sweep this weekend! Can't wait to see Manoah back tomorrow and likely Berrios on Sunday!

Opposing pitcher tonight looks like a candidate to go about 2.1 giving up 6 or so runs.

Don't say that. Now he's going to go out there and spin 7 shutout innings while striking out 15.
 
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If we've calmed down now who do we think is coming out of the rotation?

Matz or Stripling?
 
If we've calmed down now who do we think is coming out of the rotation?

Matz or Stripling?
I'd assume Matz as already have 2 lefties and Stripling has been much better than Matz of late.

I just want them to sign Ray to an extension because Ryu-Berrios-Ray-Manoah is a great start to the rotation next year and Pearson could be the X factor. Perhaps figure out catching, solidify bullpen and 3B and we are good to go!
 
Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson?!? I hate this trade. Toronto way over paid here. They will regret this trade sooner rather than later. José Berríos has one more year of arb before free agency. Some may like this deal but I hate it. A total waste of top quality assets for more than likely 2 years of Berríos.
 
Well, I was worried about jinxing it. But he seems really bad, ha. So, I'm doubling down on it and we are going to chase him early!

As long as you understand that I will hold you personally responsible for what happens in this game. It's no longer the hitters' fault if it goes bad. It's 100% on you.
 
Love the trade, needed a front end starter and have him for next season as well. They have enough prospects, they can afford to trade a few. Maybe they sold high on these two and they continue to decline
 
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I don’t think it was really ever mentioned here but we should also keep in mind that the Berrios deal blocked the Rays/Red Sox from getting him.
And was probably the reason the price got so high.
 


Berrios was one of the Blue Jays' top targets at deadline

1:27 | July 30, 2021

GM Ross Atkins talks about why now was the time for the Toronto Blue Jays to make a big move at the trade deadline and bring in Jose Berrios.
 
And was probably the reason the price got so high.

But thankfully the Jays have quite a few guys in that Martin to SWR tier(s) of prospect where it doesn’t really impact them all that much. Moreno would’ve been a straight no-no, Pearson has bullpen value this season and is a wildcard beyond that, Groshans has the chance to be a plus defender, etc. Out of their “top 5” they moved the two with the most question marks and got a TOR pitcher.
 
Blue Jays acquire Berrios from Twins, Soria from Diamondbacks at trade deadline

TORONTO — The Toronto Blue Jays added to their pitching at the trade deadline Friday, acquiring starter Jose Berrios from the Minnesota Twins and veteran reliever Joakim Soria from the Arizona Diamondbacks.

With the successful deals and the Jays finally playing back home for the first time in 670 days, GM Ross Atkins called it "a very fulfilling day, for many reasons."

"And it's not just around Jose Berrios," he said. "But I think what it means for us taking another step -- the George Springer and Marcus Semien acquisitions, Hyun Jin Ryu the year before. Continuing to build upon the progression and the growth of Bo Bichette and Vladdy (Guerrero), and Cavan (Biggio) and Jordan Romero is exciting for us."


Berrios was the Jays' big acquisition of the day. The two-time all-star has a 7-5 record with a 3.48 earned-run average and 126 strikeouts over 20 starts with the Twins this season.

"We're thinking about next year too," said Jays manager Charlie Montoyo. "A guy like Berrios is one of the best starters in baseball. And now we've got control over him next year also. So I think that was a great move."

Toronto parted with two of its top prospects — infielder Austin Martin and right-handed pitcher Simeon Woods Richardson — to land the 27-year-old right-hander from Puerto Rico. Martin ranked 16th on MLB Pipeline's top prospects list while Woods Richardson was 68th.

Martin was second on MLB's ranking of Blue Jays prospects while Woods Richardson was fourth. Pitcher Nate Pearson is rated as the prospect in the Jays organization — ninth on the MLB overall list.

Atkins said while the price was high, Berrios was one of the Jays' top targets. Citing Berrios' durability, he called him "such a good fit for this team and this organization."

Berrios' ability to pitch deep into the game will also benefit the bullpen, Atkins added.

Later in the day, Toronto acquired Soria from the Diamondbacks for two players to be named later.

"The strike-throwing ability and (his) experiences, the combination I think will allow us another option in that (bull) pen " said Atkins


The 37-year-old Soria has six saves this season, with a 4.30 earned-run average in 31 games. An American League all-star in 2008 and 2010, the Mexican right-hander has 229 career saves and 822 strikeouts with a 3.06 ERA.

The trades came at the end of a busy week.

"It feel like it gets busier every year. Even if potentially your phone's not ringing, you're making others ring," Atkins said.
 
Unfortunately is looks like you may be right. I've never liked 6 man rotations.



Doesn't make sense to me. 6-man rotations make sense when you're trying to protect guys on innings limits. I guess it might help Ryu who does better on more rest. But given that we need every win, we gotta get Ray and Barrios out there as often as possible.
 
We traded prospects at '15 deadline. None went on to make it. Hoffman had same hype as Martin

We've had tons of top prospects/hyped up young players that never amounted to much.

Travis Snider
Kyle Drabek
Jeff Hoffman
Franklin Barreto
Aaron Sanchez
Daniel Norris
Justin Nicolino
Adeiny Hechaverria
Brett Lawrie
JP Arencibia
 
I'll admit I was never really that high on Martin, it was always more of an everyone else thinks he's good and they know more than me so I'll believe it kind of thing. During the draft I wanted Veen, and when Martin fell I thought, ok Martin I guess everyone thinks he's really good. He felt like a jack of all trades master of none to me. Except perhaps the hit tool. His college power wasn't inspiring. He could move around the field but barely played SS in college, and was just getting used to CF. His speed was fine but not outstanding.

Looking back on that draft(and the Stroman trade via SWR), using up significant overslot which restricted us elsewhere and basically getting only 1.5 years of Berrios out of it really sucks. I can see why they may have been down on him. I've never entirely bought into his peak, but it's rough just a year later you turn the 5th overall pick plus a million in slot money, plus the best asset from the Stroman trade into 1.5 years of a #2 starter. Like I'm confused in whether they shouldn't have picked him at the time if they were skeptical but bought into it, or if they just changed their minds very quickly with a years worth of additional info.

Either way, feels like for what they traded they should have gotten more. At least they didn't get wrecked in the Kimbrel trade. That one is worse.
 
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