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Blue Jays Discussion: Back in Toronto AND things are happening (trade deadline @ 4pm ET/1pm PT today)

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TheBeastCoast said:
I get that the Org may have identified critical flaws in SWR and Martin(No tack and no power). But just from a asset point of view it is like we decided to play in an entirely different ball park to what other teams are paying for their upgrades.
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Unless they are local, we always have to overpay to get players up here - seems like it's the same story in every sport.
 
inthe6ix said:
Unless they are local, we always have to overpay to get players up here - seems like it's the same story in every sport.
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Berrios has no control over where he is traded. This is not a scenario where they had to overpay to acquire someone due to geography. Although your point is valid, this just isn't one of those times.
 
Wow, I wouldve thought a package of SWR and Martin would be involved in a deal for a Jose Ramirez type.

Seems like they paid a really steep price for him, but nice to have Berrios at the top of the rotation for ateast a couple years.
 
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Discoverer said:
They got three years of Snell, yeah. Not talking about pure value or anything, though... just everyone constantly throwing out the "Padres never give up their top prospects!" stuff.
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For that kind of value though you would expect an Abrams or Gore. Padres usually make good deals, but this time they ran into the Rays, who always seem to find a way to win trades.
 
I would've not made this trade.

At the same time I'm curious if the organization saw some things that made them more open to move Martin or SWR.

The good thing is that we will potentially Have 3 comp picks over the next two years to replenish the farm some more.
 
ryno23 said:
and right on cue the Sportsnet guys like Campbell already saying when the Jays got price is 2015. Not the same at all. Berrios is a middle-of-the-road pitcher. They are already defending the trade. Also defending the trade are a few other non-baseball Sportsnet personalities. The memo must have gone out earlier to all Sportsnet people to praise the deal no matter how crappy it looks.
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Berrios is not a middle of the road guy. He's a legit top end starter. They traded from a position of strength to address a position of weakness.

This team had major issues in the middle innings, late innings and had a hole in the rotation. They've now acquired Hand, Richards, Cimber and Berrios to fill those spots. This team is now ready to compete (assuming Montoyo doesn't sabotage them with his idiotic managing).
 
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What the actual ****!
This is really really bad. Like the white Sox trading Tatis bad.
We just gave up the second best prospect in last years draft for a year and a half of a good but not spectacular pitcher.
 
Between this and David Krejci announcing he's done in North America I think it's time I turn my phone off for the day
 
I have to wonder if the Jays organization didn't value Martin very highly compared to our other position prospects. We heard who they were targeting in the draft last year and it wasn't Martin since no one thought he would be there.

They specifically targeted and developed Martinez, Groshans, Moreno, Manoah and Pearson. Perhaps they saw him as too good draft value to pass on and knew they could deal him later as other organizations thought more highly of him than they did?

Talking to calm down, ha.

Seriously though, go get a 3B and I guess use Pearson along with Hand and Romano in late innings?
 
If we did this to acquire a cheap player with control, I hope we then turn around and acquire someone with a heftier contract and pay significantly less by eating all the money.

Keep in mind that that is the big difference between this trade and the others. It is control PLUS he doesn't make a lot.
 
SDig14 said:
I have to wonder if the Jays organization didn't value Martin very highly compared to our other position prospects. We heard who they were targeting in the draft last year and it wasn't Martin since no one thought he would be there.

They specifically targeted and developed Martinez, Groshans, Moreno, Manoah and Pearson. Perhaps they saw him as too good draft value to pass on and knew they could deal him later as other organizations thought more highly of him than they did?

Talking to calm down, ha.

Seriously though, go get a 3B and I guess use Pearson along with Hand and Romano in late innings?
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Well this is from editor of Baseball America

 
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TheBeastCoast said:
Yeah I mean I can go out on a limb and say we did not trade a Fernado Tatis level prospect here.
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Yeah I don’t think the white Sox thought that either when they traded him for James Shields.
How did that work out?

They gave up on one of the best prospects in baseball after 55 minor league games
 
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