Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[HTFN]

Under most privacy and data protection laws, consent is considered to be valid only if it is timely, informed, specific, and freely given. That last one is why consent is typically not (or typically shouldn’t be) used in employer-employee relationships, because of the innate imbalance of power between the parties (E.g. “consenting” to share one’s personal data with their employer doesn’t mean much when the consequence of withholding consent is termination or some other punishment). Collecting/reviewing personal data in such a circumstance is literally unlawful under applicable privacy and data protection laws. Ohio doesn’t (yet) have a general privacy law (and the US lacks same at the federal level) but they do have a few well established privacy torts that could expose the BlueJackets to potential financial and reputational risk. The affected players would seem to be well within their rights to pursue damages under these torts. This is setting aside any contractual terms or documented league/club policies or practices concerning the collection and processing of personal data.

Long story short, there appears to be plenty of financial and reputational risk associated with Babcock’s actions as-is, and given his well documented history, it should be no surprise that he is no longer with the team.

If this doesn't register, nothing will.

For consent to be truly freely given, you can't remotely fear rebuke. When your employer asks for something that requires consent it twists what feels reasonable because they can cite anything else to reprimand you while directly punishing you for showing an understanding of your rights and/or backbone.

This is way more like a parent saying "let me see your photos and you may or may not be grounded depending on how I feel about them" than "I just want to learn more about you and your family" for at least a few of them.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Under most privacy and data protection laws, consent is considered to be valid only if it is timely, informed, specific, and freely given. That last one is why consent is typically not (or typically shouldn’t be) used in employer-employee relationships, because of the innate imbalance of power between the parties (E.g. “consenting” to ......

Danm bro , I wish you were in charge of the TOS of whatever things we sign for.

 

[Chessarmy]

Mike Babcock is a psychopath

 

[TheRumble]

There's a lot of people still trying to stan for Babcock like he's a hot girl they want to date.

Lets approach this from a different POV.

If you're Mike Babcock, you've spent the last few years out of hockey due to your name being smeared in the media. Whether fairly or unfairly is immaterial. You had to know that you were going to be under the microscope with this second job and should have been on your best behaviour. If you don't have the self awareness to realize that you were no longer going to be given the benefit of the doubt, you kinda deserve to get fired just for sheer stupidty.

 

[WhataKnight]

I’d photoshop a censor box over a Jackets jersey with that “FA&FO” meme, but I’m busy.

 

[takimaki]

Babcock is a well-known a$$hole. CBJ hired him and he acted like one.

“Uh oh, we’re surprised Mike Babcock is Mike Babcock. Let’s make up a flimsy excuse to boot him out.”

If he had been there 2-3 years I’m sure he would have done something actually worthy of this reaction.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Babcock is a well-known a$$hole. CBJ hired him and he acted like one.

“Uh oh, we’re surprised Mike Babcock is Mike Babcock. Let’s make up a flimsy excuse to boot him out.”

If he had been there a 2-3 years I’m sure he would have done something actually worthy of this reaction.

I'm not convinced that he didn't. This story screams "there is more to the story."

 

[Divine]

Jarmo has been playing the ultimate politician

On one hand he says Babcock is a great guy, great coach, and there was nothing wrong with his hiring process - they just found this to be a distraction that takes away from the team

On the other hand, he's telling his players they don't deserve to be treated like that and apologizing to them

If he's a great guy and coach and the media made it a distraction - what are you apologizing to your players for?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I guess, but they are the leaders and they said it was disappointing that it was blown out of proportion. So they didn't think it was a big deal, which means they don't have a good grasp of how their teammates feel.

As if players would not lie or say something they are not 100% convinced to the public. If I got asked what I think about my new boss behavior to the public I would certainly not start by throwing him under the bus. Maybe they really believe it was a nothing story but most likely they found the request awkward but still went with it.

 

[KCbus]

There's no way in hell I'm going through 61 pages of this, so I'm just going to congratulate myself on having the same record as Head Coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets as Mike Babcock did. I had the same level of success, and I didn't even get hired.

 

[Enga Olly]

^^ That's fair. ^^

He's been fired and humiliated so there is some justice. Having said that, if you want to give me a million dollar parachute, you can fire and humiliate me, too.

Re : "Babcock doesn't treat all players the same. "

EVERY boss plays favourites. That's life.

Oh my, posted with such conviction - but unfortunately that's simply not true. Having favourites and playing favourite are 2 very different things. I've been in the working world for a few decades, and have had experienced numerous different management styles. I've seen a couple of managers employ more of a Babcock approach, fortunately they are in the minority,

 

[WhataKnight]

Experience counts.

When someone hasn’t had to live through a toxic management structure, they don’t know how nasty it can be.

Try working in tech. Equally as toxic; fraction of the pay.

 

[WhataKnight]

I’ll even add an addendum…..

Having worked years ago as a contractor for companies everyone in here has heard of, I got one-shotted by a shit environment so bad that to this day, I would rather struggle with being my own boss than enter a potentially similar environment.

Leave it up to the entitled to misunderstand the gamut between having power and being forced in a powerless situation.

 

[Ciao]

Good riddance.

Period.

That's all there is left to say.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Sorry if this was already posted. I didn’t look through this whole thread.

Sounds like there is more to the story than what we know…

After Babcock resignation, Blue Jackets executives keep their jobs but are put on notice

"We got it wrong, and that's on us," John Davidson, Columbus' president of hockey operations, said of Babcock's hiring.

theathletic.com

That prompted the NHLPA to travel to Columbus to meet with Blue Jackets players on Wednesday.

It was then that this story started to become much more serious. In that meeting, Blue Jackets captain Boone Jenner, Johnny Gaudreau and other veterans got a different view of the matter, one that contradicted their comments on Tuesday.

“I was speaking on my experience with Babs, how that went, ” Jenner said. “From there, the next day or two, the PA came to us with some other issues that I was not aware of. The PA took it from there and went to work with the league.”

Werenski, who met with Babcock at the coach’s residence in Michigan, said the meeting with the NHLPA was eye-opening. It revealed that there were major issues between Babcock and other players, either players who perceived the interactions with Babcock differently or had entirely different experiences than the veteran players.

“It was definitely a 180 (degree turn) on my end,” Werenski said. “We spoke on our experiences with it. After having the PA come talk to us and gather more information, obviously it flipped. They did a great job of bringing everything to light for us. We talked as a group and here we are.”

 

[Beau Knows]

^^ That's fair. ^^

He's been fired and humiliated so there is some justice. Having said that, if you want to give me a million dollar parachute, you can fire and humiliate me, too.

Re : "Babcock doesn't treat all players the same. "

EVERY boss plays favourites. That's life.

Playing favourites is a little different than taking their phones and going through them.

 

[ORRFForever]

Oh my, posted with such conviction - but unfortunately that's simply not true. Having favourites and playing favourite are 2 very different things. I've been in the working world for a few decades, and have had experienced numerous different management styles. I've seen a couple of managers employ more of a Babcock approach, fortunately they are in the minority,

LOL. How would you like me to post with "conviction"?

Should I bold it?

Every boss I've known has had their "favourites" and those favourites have been treated with favouritism - some slight, some heavy. It's human nature. As an adult, you get over it.

Playing favourites is a little different than taking their phones and going through them.

My "favourites" comment had nothing to do with the phones.

My guess : The phone thing is being blown out of proportions / exaggerated. I'll take him at his word that he was just trying to be friendly. I somehow doubt he actually took their phones and went thru them.

 

[JOKER 192]

Heard this one today, I thought it was pretty accurate.

Toxic coach
Of a toxic team
Of a toxic league
Got exposed by
A toxic host
Of a toxic podcast
On a toxic website.

 

[ORRFForever]

Babcock's tenure was doomed from the start. All he needed was one player to complain and the backlash was going to be huge. Columbus should have known better.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Babcock's tenure was doomed from the start. All he needed was one player to complain and the backlash was going to be huge. Columbus should have known better.

Babcock should have as well.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Has it been revealed how many more years Mike Babcock will be paid not to to coach?

 

[ORRFForever]

Babcock should have as well.

Not sure I know what you mean. If someone offers you millions to do something you love (coach), you're not gonna turn it down. I'd sign it so fast, the pen would rip through the paper.

 

[Rob Brown]

Not sure I know what you mean. If someone offers you millions to do something you love (coach), you're not gonna turn it down. I'd sign it so fast, the pen would rip through the paper.

He's saying Babcock should have known better than to do what he did.

 

[ORRFForever]

Has it been revealed how many more years Mike Babcock will be paid not to to coach?

Assume he got it all. That way you'll feel better when you find out he got less than 100%.

He's saying Babcock should have known better than to do what he did.

I think the phone thing is blown out of proportion.

As for Babcock. he's gonna get millions to sit at home so... maybe he's the smart one.

 

[thefutures]

Even ppl at the university he worked at during his image rehab didn't like him, it's fair to assume this guy is a dog shit, scum person and people don't want to deal with him. Simple as that.