Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
I think that Mike Badcock will be just fine, he accomplished everything there is in the world of hockey. Stanley cup, Olympic gold medal, millions of $$$$$ in the bank account, I think that Mike will survive. Young players nowadays are like very fragile little flowers. Lol It's a good thing they're living in 2023 and not 1973 because they wouldn't last one second back in the day they would shrink away lol

The problem is that the players make so much money and they know that they have leverage, and that therefore they can dictate reasonably-normal collectively-bargained working conditions.

We need to go back to the days where the players were lucky to earn $25,000 per season and the owners kept the rest. That would teach 'em.
 
Agree, young players today needs to be pampered, they want a coach that will understand them, and be gentle with them. Young players today have all the power, just look at all the mega contract they're signing at 21, 22 years old, if they don't like you as a coach you are toast!!! They just have to call in to any podcast out there and say their coach made them feel "uncomfortable" and that coach is gone.
Why didn’t you mention his issues in Toronto and Detroit ? Why is a player wanting their coach to understand them a bad thing?why shouldn’t the star players, with the “mega” contracts have a say?
 
Are you pro-cover up?

“Never tell anyone about any bad behavior” is a pretty peculiar stance but ok.
That's a pretty bizarre takeaway from my post.

My point was Quenneville and Bowman have started their PR tour. Which means they are testing the waters about them working in the league again.
 
If it was just awkward exchanges, they wouldn't have said that he didn't treat players with respect. It is very likely, as people are assuming that the phone thing was more forceful for more vulnerable players. That's not a cancel culture issue. If all players were treated as Jenner and gaudrea supposedly were, even if the outcome had been the same, I feel that the language being used would be quite different.
 
They’ll answer like normal because that’s actually normal.


The meetings were one on one. He likely wasn’t there. He talked about his meeting with Babs


Babs and any coach can’t pull the same stuff with secure vet leaders and big money (with lots of term) stars. Those players will always be more secure than coach. His behavior with them on average would likely be way more respectful than with the kids
Has a Columbus player come out and said Babcock literally took their phone from his hand and started looking through their phone? Or has the NHL said this is what Babcock did?
 
That's a pretty bizarre takeaway from my post.

My point was Quenneville and Bowman have started their PR tour. Which means they are testing the waters about them working in the league again.
To be fair, it's difficult to get valence and tone in this thread.
 
If memory serves I think he apologized for the Marner thing and took responsibility but to me he owes Franzen a major apology now that we know about Franzen's concussion and mental health issues. And as far as I know he's never really come close to a decent apology.

Some of the other things like Modano I don't think he has anything to apologize for.

Mike Modano talked about it. Basically he said Babcock waited until the moment of the game to announce the healthy scratch so no one could do anything. A bunch of players were livid, even Ken Holland was upset and said had he known in advance he would have overruled Babcock - but Babcock intentionally waited so no one would know or could stop him
 
why? you assume he's covering up for Babcock?
Not so much covering for him, but as a captain how can you go and release that statement then have your teammates talk to the PA about Babcock.

He should've talked to his teammates before releasing any statement. Now you think any player in that room is going to think Jenner is going to have their back if anything happens?
 
I think that Mike Badcock will be just fine, he accomplished everything there is in the world of hockey. Stanley cup, Olympic gold medal, millions of $$$$$ in the bank account, I think that Mike will survive. Young players nowadays are like very fragile little flowers. Lol It's a good thing they're living in 2023 and not 1973 because they wouldn't last one second back in the day they would shrink away lol

Just because one generation accepted that being treated like shit, doesn’t mean another should accept it.

Sounds like the dinosaurs can’t seem to grasp this
 
Think it's possible the situation with Jenner happened organically and the outcome was positive so Babcock being the maniac that he is thought this one size approach would fit all. Rigid, like his coaching style.

He's definitely a weird guy, but I do think there was some players on CBJ who had no interest in playing for Babcock and were waiting on him to make a mistake so he could be pushed out.
going to be interesting to see what the locker room atmosphere will be like. invasion of privacy is serious, but as others pointed out, if the younger players didn't feel comfortable they could have a) said no (easier said than done if it's your boss asking) or b) raising it to the C or A. spilling it to an outside party instead of the first two options won't sit well with the rest of the team I believe. this is not about sweeping under the rug, but like in other organizations, you voice it to a designated person internally to be addressed. if he/she don't act on it, this is a different matter then.

as a human, babcock is probably garbage, but as a coach, he has a resume, can't ignore that. CBJ for the first time in years probably could have played well with a structure. now it's back to square one. team success means the younger guys could have probably had a decent season.

either way the younger guys are screwed.
 
Not so much covering for him, but as a captain how can you go and release that statement then have your teammates talk to the PA about Babcock.

He should've talked to his teammates before releasing any statement. Now you think any player in that room is going to think Jenner is going to have their back?
I'm just assuming not every player was treated the same, and Jenner just spoke to what happened with him.
 
It does.

I didn't want to get into a legal discussion with you - but I guess I need to.

Here:




Do you believe the NHL CBA takes precedence over the 1st amendment right to privacy? It does not.
did you literally google "First Amendment Privacy" and take the second result and offer it up as a legal argument?



giphy.gif


sorry, I know I said I was out before... but I can't anymore. you probably shouldn't either.
I specialize in privacy and data protection law. Day in and day out, it is all that I do. I can confirm that there is most definitely no 1st Amendment right to privacy (and in any event, it would only apply to government infringement on an individual’s privacy). The 4th Amendment prohibition on unreasonable search and seizure (again, by the government) is as close as the US Constitution gets, but a couple of cases in the mid-late 70s (Smith and Miller) resulted in the establishment of the 3rd Party Doctrine, which effectively says that as soon as you share personal information with a 3rd party (online service provider, telecom, internet provider, etc.), you no longer have any reasonable expectation of privacy regarding that information. State and sectoral privacy laws abound in the US (and a new one seems to be enacted every week) but there is no comprehensive US federal privacy law (which is partly to blame for recent tensions and friction with the EU re: Schrems II).
 
Why didn’t you mention his issues in Toronto and Detroit ? Why is a player wanting their coach to understand them a bad thing?why shouldn’t the star players, with the “mega” contracts have a say?
A hockey locker room is not a therapy session, you're getting payed millions of $$$ to play a game, the coach is not there to babysit your ass and hold your hand. young guys today are soft as butter. I have an idea why not get rid of all coaches ad let the players coach themselves, I mean thats what they're doing right now anyway. Why have coaches then?
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Pez68
I think that Mike Badcock will be just fine, he accomplished everything there is in the world of hockey. Stanley cup, Olympic gold medal, millions of $$$$$ in the bank account, I think that Mike will survive. Young players nowadays are like very fragile little flowers. Lol It's a good thing they're living in 2023 and not 1973 because they wouldn't last one second back in the day they would shrink away lol

Players stood up for themselves against this abusive POS and this is a bad thing to you.

I love how you think you’re more manly than guys who fought in the NHL. And you have no idea how difficult it is to break the code of silence that protects abusers like Babcock.

The people who identify with Babcock are definitely a type. Shouldn’t you be on Twitter defending Elon Musk?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad