Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Beau Knows]

It could also be read as a positive that Booner and Gaudreau don't allow themselves to get bent out of shape by stupid people and stupid shit. Too many people do.

Maybe, but I think you'd want to see them stick up for the younger guys. My guess is that they didn't really know the extent of what actually happened (which is arguably a bit of a failure in it's own right).

 

[orby]

Listen to ex-players talk about Tortorella... then listen to ex-players talk about Babcock. What you will hear is night and day. Torts is tough, not the coach for everyone and can be emotional, but theres no denying that he cares about his players in every way.

Yeah Tortorella is an opinionated hothead, but he doesn't come off as a psycho the way Babcock does.

 

[Beau Knows]

The NHL needs to shut down already, what a joke

Why does one idiot coach getting hired and fired, require a shutdown?

 

[Johnny Tomala]

I predicted he won't coach even one game when these posts about investigation began.

 

[I am toxic]

What new standard? I think "not looking through your players' phones" is an old standard. No coach does that.

Exactly.

There has been talk about Torts. He had a policy all cell phones be put in a bag upon entering the dressing room for team meetings. To eliminate distractions.

Some players found it over the top, could have just required phones to be turned off. But NHL'ers are . . . different . . . from a normal office of adults. Some can be less than responsible compared to adults in a normal office. So I have no issues with what Torts did in that regard.

Which is a far cry from what Babs clearly did - both in methods, and intentions.

 

[MM917]

Incredible.

What's the supposedly nefarious plan by Babcock here? He was using that excuse to dig up dirt on players he barely knew? Does anybody actually believe that?

I get that a lot of people hated Babcock's guts for a lot of good reasons, but if this is somehow the new standard for coaches there are going to be lots of firings in the future.

I don't think it was a nefarious plan it was likely more of a narcissistic, control freak not being able to let go of having control over his players.

 

[Kranix]

"Nobody can have my guns, but you can certainly requisition my phone, boss!! God Bless America."

 

[BKarchitect]

I get that a lot of people hated Babcock's guts for a lot of good reasons, but if this is somehow the new standard for coaches there are going to be lots of firings in the future.

Is it that hard not to demand to go through your employees’ phones?

He didn’t get fired because of some nefarious plan. He got fired for being an autocratic, out-of-touch dolt.

 

[NJDevs26]

I mean it is pretty simple. Phones have a lot of personal info. If you take someones phone and start scrolling through it that is not cool. You think these players share everything with each other. Also you think Babcock is going to keep any secrets. Why do you even need to look in the first place, if not to pry and ask personal questions.

We already know he wouldn’t with what he pulled on Marner.

 

[NJDevs26]

Why?

Is there anything to suggest he knew more than he said he did?

Maybe, and maybe not…but there’s clearly a reason other players leaked to Biz rather than think this would get resolved from within.

 

[Darren McCord]

I don't think it was a nefarious plan it was likely more of a narcissistic, control freak not being able to let go of having control over his players.

Which actually seems nefarious. Asking to look through ones phone comes off like you don't trust them. And then you snoop like you are looking for info about them. This isnt like googling someone. It is like taking there diary and reading it out in the open.

That comes across as rather nefarious.

 

[kook10]

Maybe, but I think you'd want to see them stick up for the younger guys. My guess is that they didn't really know the extent of what actually happened (which is arguably a bit of a failure in it's own right).

It sounds like the younger guys went outside of the room first to address their problems, which is not a good sign for the team either.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Blue Jackets looking into new allegations against Mike Babcock

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A lot of good takes in this thread. "Oh but Spittin Chiclets blah blah blah." How can some of you be so blind?

The cope was getting more intense by the day. Posters were pretty much asking that journalists borderline out their sources before they'd accept it. It was so ridiculous, especially when you consider who we were talking about. Real heads in sand.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Can't even look at through your employees phones anymore. What's the world coming to? smdh.

I predicted he won't coach even one game when these posts about investigation began.

Poor Gary Agnew just catching strays.

 

[snag]

If my new manager asked to see pictures of my family trying to get a sense of who I am I would be more than willing to share. Would I hand them the phone? No. Regardless, I am in 100% control and there is no invasion of privacy unless I let it.

He was already personal non grata. If it wasn't this, it would been something else. I would say he got lucky on it being a nothing burger.

 

[Darren McCord]

We already know he wouldn’t with what he pulled on Marner.

Exactly. Imagine if he found really personal info and starting outing players about stuff in their personal lives.

 

[JS19]

It sounds like the younger guys went outside of the room first to address their problems, which is not a good sign for the team either.

Not necessarily. If you went to leadership and they shrug off your concerns, then you really have no choice.

Either way, it's still a shit stain mark on leadership for someone to have to go outside the room.

 

[MM917]

Maybe, and maybe not…but there’s clearly a reason other players leaked to Biz rather than think this would get resolved from within.

I am not sure it is Boone Jenner's job to resolve this.

It is very possible his interaction with Babcock went exactly as he said and that other interactions were much different. If it comes out that younger players went to him or he was present when it happened sure but shouldn't we wait until that info comes out?

 

[ijuka]

Joke of an organization. You hire mike Babcock and get of him once he does some mike Babcock things. Just stupid. No vision. No planning. Fire the whole front office.

Kekäläinen has been a disaster GM for years already. If he's not been fired yet, then I don't see how this changes anything. The predient of hockey operations for CBJ thinks that Kekäläinen is a genius for some unknown reason, even though Kekäläinen just might be the most old-fashioned GM in the league.

 

[Ocoee]

I love the softening of people's thoughts on Torts now. I see the same thing when people paint a politician as evil but then later say well he wasn't evil, but this new guy sure is.

So many people, myself included, did not think that Torts had the temperament to be a NHL HC. I was wrong, he did a great job.

I do not claim to know what happened with Babs, but if he was guilty, then Jarmo should be fired. If he was innocent, but just him being there is enough of a distraction for him to resign without ever coaching a game, then Jarmo should be fired.

I think it is normal to “soften” about someone when an even more extreme worse version presents itself.

 

[MM917]

Which actually seems nefarious. Asking to look through ones phone comes off like you don't trust them. And then you snoop like you are looking for info about them. This isnt like googling someone. It is like taking there diary and reading it out in the open.

That comes across as rather nefarious.

Yes it is awful for sure, I just don't think he had some elaborate plan or that he had to for it to be an awful thing to do.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Perhaps a teachable moment about not rushing to defend a career villain from allegations.

Some people have like anti-woke-derangement-syndrome where they can no longer view any news article under any other framing "woke or not", and if they don't like the article or if someone is getting in trouble it's automatically "woke" or cancel culture. They compulsively defend it without really knowing why. They constantly call everyone except themselves soft and sensitive, while simultaneously getting really mad that someone got in trouble for doing something wrong. It's wild they think there tough or whatever when you see the stuff that makes them rage.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yes it is awful for sure, I just don't think he had some elaborate plan or that he had to for it to be an awful thing to do.

True. Seems like he was just being a moron and didnt understand what he was doing.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I think there are two missing pieces here 1) Babcock at best misled, and at worst lied, to the Jackets front office about what happened, thus making Jenner look like an idiot for defending Babcock and the front office like idiots for greenlighting it, and 2) the player whose phone Babcock inspected was future-franchise-player Fantilli. So Babcock not only made the Jackets and Jenner look dumb, he also may have harmed relations between the front office and their future star. Easy then to see why he was shitcanned..

 

[ItWasJustified]

So you unironically think Seravelli just pulled the "NHLPA investigation indicated Babcock couldn't stay as coach" out from his ass?

''Investigation by #NHLPA left no path for Babcock to continue as coach'' can be interpreted different ways.

Bulllllllllshiiiiiiiit.

You already passed judgement.

True. I did that when he scratched Mike Modano over a decade ago.

You speak as if the NHLPA is going to give you some clear openly clear statement, they may never make a direct statement out. Why would they need to, if the situation is resolving with Babcock resigning?

But there's other reporters talking about what they have sources saying about it. Like Emily Kaplan.

So he got forced to resign because of a awkward interaction?