Babcock fired by the Leafs discussion

[Loosie]

I remember 2 months ago when I started that Commodore thread, at least 80% of the folks in here defended Babcock and trashed Commodore.
This was before the Marner stuff.

Partly because at that point the only stories out there were Commodore's and he seemed to (and still does) have an unhealthy obsession with Babcock.

Now that more details are out, and more players have spoken out the tone shifts. That's what happens.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I remember 2 months ago when I started that Commodore thread, at least 80% of the folks in here defended Babcock and trashed Commodore.
This was before the Marner stuff.

And?

All sports are the same.

Change that to all of the NA major league pro sports are similar and I'll agree.

 

[Cleetus]

Partly because at that point the only stories out there were Commodore's and he seemed to (and still does) have an unhealthy obsession with Babcock.

Now that more details are out, and more players have spoken out the tone shifts. That's what happens.

especially that tweet where he posted a pic of Babcock packing his belongings that is almost stalkerish....

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Babcock will never be hired again.

Of course he will be, even Franzen said he makes teams that are hard to beat. If he wants to coach again, someone will absolutely hire him.

 

[IPS]

I remember 2 months ago when I started that Commodore thread, at least 80% of the folks in here defended Babcock and trashed Commodore.
This was before the Marner stuff.

Oh how quickly things can change..

 

[Judas Tavares]

I don't really understand any defence of Babcock at this point.

The man is now out of the organization, its evident a lot of the players are happy about it. If the players are happy about it, so should you, since they are the ones playing for the team you cheer for.

If the hiring of Keefe means too much change in the way you are used to the game being, well then learn to deal with change.

I used to not care about picks, prospects and youth. I used to love fighting and couldn't imagine the game without it. Times have changed and I have adapted to it because this is my favourite sport and I knew I'd have to change with the game.

I am now all about youth, development and skill. Seeing a hockey fight now makes me cringe as its so out of place. It is what it is.

 

[saffronleaf]

Ryan Hana on Twitter

Ryan Hana on Twitter

 

[Teeder Keon]

your a mean one Mr Babcock


You're a mean one, Mr. Babcock
You really are a like Brashear
You're as cuddly as a Zamboni , you're as charming as an Marchand , Mr. Babcock
You're a bad Pastrnak with greasy black hockey tape !
You're like Peters , Mr. Babcock
Your heart's an empty 5 hole
Your brain is full of egos you have hunting in your soul, Mr. Babcock
I wouldn't touch you with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot Chara pole
You're on Grindr , Mr. Babcock
You have termites in your stick .
You have all the tender sweetness of a seasick Keenan , Mr. Babcooooock
Given a choice between the two of you I'd take the seasick Keenan
You're not a gud one, Mr. Babcock
You're a nasty wasty Domi
Your heart is full of unwashed babsocks , your soul is full of pucks , Mr. Babcock
The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote,
"Stink stank, fu*****
You're steady on the rudder Mr. Babcock
You're the king of stubborn
Your heart's a Bruin splotched with moldy purple spots, Mr. Babcock ,
Your soul is an appalling dump heap overflowing with the most disgraceful
assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable mangled up in tangled up knots!
You nauseate me, Mr. Babcock
With a nauseous bad Powerplay
You're a crooked jerky hockey and you drive a crooked Chevy , Mr. Babcock
You're a three decker Regina born and Laforge with Marner shaming sauce

 

[stickty111]

More stuff from Chelios.

Chris Chelios has made his feelings on Mike Babcock known before, but he's going into more detail now that the former NHL head coach is coming under fire for his handling of players.
The Hall of Fame defenseman, who played for Babcock with the Detroit Red Wings for four seasons near the end of his career, opened up about his former bench boss on the "Spittin' Chiclets" podcast.
"What's come up here in Toronto … it's coming back to haunt Babcock for not so much his coaching as the way he treated people,” Chelios said.
“What he did to (Mike) Modano was incredibly disrespectful," he added. "What he did to, just recently, (Jason) Spezza in Toronto, those were the things that are so unnecessary."
Last week, just days after Babcock was fired as head coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs, it was revealed that he had shamed Mitch Marner in 2016 by asking the then-rookie to make a list ranking his teammates by work ethic before Babcock shared it with the players at the bottom of the list.
Babcock said last week that he apologized to Marner at the time.
The longtime bench boss made Modano a healthy scratch with 1,499 games played and the forward ultimately never reached the 1,500-game milestone. Earlier this season, Babcock made Spezza a healthy scratch for the season opener against Spezza's former team, the Ottawa Senators.
Chelios said that after one disagreement with the coach early in his Red Wings tenure, Babcock told him, "If you don't like it, you can go see (general manager) Kenny Holland. I'm sure he'll trade you."
The legendary blue-liner also called it "so unnecessary" that Babcock tried to make him a healthy scratch for the 2009 Winter Classic at Wrigley Field in Chicago because he knew it was Chelios' hometown. Babcock eventually relented, but he benched Chelios after the opening shift.
Chelios said in 2017 that no veteran free agent would "want to come in and play for" Babcock.

I have officially lost all respect for Babcock if I even had any left. He tried to scratch Chelios in an outdoor game in his hometown? Then instead he benches him after 1 shift?

 

[saffronleaf]

Imagine how awful you must be to get someone like Franzen to call you a terrible human, the worst he's ever met

 

[Teeder Keon]

More stuff from Chelios.

Chris Chelios has made his feelings on Mike Babcock known before, but he's going into more detail now that the former NHL head coach is coming under fire for his handling of players.
The Hall of Fame defenseman, who played for Babcock with the Detroit Red Wings for four seasons near the end of his career, opened up about his former bench boss on the "Spittin' Chiclets" podcast.
"What's come up here in Toronto … it's coming back to haunt Babcock for not so much his coaching as the way he treated people,” Chelios said.
“What he did to (Mike) Modano was incredibly disrespectful," he added. "What he did to, just recently, (Jason) Spezza in Toronto, those were the things that are so unnecessary."
Last week, just days after Babcock was fired as head coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs, it was revealed that he had shamed Mitch Marner in 2016 by asking the then-rookie to make a list ranking his teammates by work ethic before Babcock shared it with the players at the bottom of the list.
Babcock said last week that he apologized to Marner at the time.
The longtime bench boss made Modano a healthy scratch with 1,499 games played and the forward ultimately never reached the 1,500-game milestone. Earlier this season, Babcock made Spezza a healthy scratch for the season opener against Spezza's former team, the Ottawa Senators.
Chelios said that after one disagreement with the coach early in his Red Wings tenure, Babcock told him, "If you don't like it, you can go see (general manager) Kenny Holland. I'm sure he'll trade you."
The legendary blue-liner also called it "so unnecessary" that Babcock tried to make him a healthy scratch for the 2009 Winter Classic at Wrigley Field in Chicago because he knew it was Chelios' hometown. Babcock eventually relented, but he benched Chelios after the opening shift.
Chelios said in 2017 that no veteran free agent would "want to come in and play for" Babcock.

I have officially lost all respect for Babcock if I even had any left. He tried to scratch Chelios in an outdoor game in his hometown? Then instead he benches him after 1 shift?

Why did it take you so long ?

 

[stickty111]

Babcock would never admit he was wrong. Even if the Leafs go on a huge tear and win a round or 2 in the playoffs, Babcock would say that he would do nothing different if he was still coach and that he always bets on himself. I don't know why would anyone hire him right now. His shelf life is a year or 2 max.

He would say "If it weren't for me, they wouldn't get to that far in the playoffs.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Ryan Hana on Twitter

Ryan Hana on Twitter

People are going to bemoan this “piling on” of Babcock, but he didn’t have to act this way in the first place. You can be a hard ass coach without being a complete asshole, which he evidently was/is.

All his talk about being a good person and doing things the right way is really hollow now. Guy is one hell of a hypocrite.

 

[stickty111]

Why did it take you so long ?

After the Mitch Marner story, I was at the maybe 3%, but now nothing. He's done the same thing to 3 special veterans in this league.

 

[saffronleaf]

Wow what's up with this guy and wanting to scratch players in their hometown wtf

 

[stickty111]

Wow what's up with this guy and wanting to scratch players in their hometown wtf

He wants to show the kind of power he thinks he has.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Wow what's up with this guy and wanting to scratch players in their hometown wtf

He’s creepy
Like a Scooby Dooooo villain

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Imagine how awful you must be to get someone like Franzen to call you a terrible human, the worst he's ever met

yeah and not only Franzen, but according to O'Neill he talked with 5 former players who all said the same thing. Babcock clearly has crossed the line from being a demanding coach to being a rotten person who is abhorred by all who cross his path. I can't overstate how good it is for the organization to be done with him

 

[stickty111]

 

[likecheese]

I completely disagree with Franzen. Babcock was not good at putting together a system.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The legendary blue-liner also called it "so unnecessary" that Babcock tried to make him a healthy scratch for the 2009 Winter Classic at Wrigley Field in Chicago because he knew it was Chelios' hometown. Babcock eventually relented, but he benched Chelios after the opening shift.
Chelios said in 2017 that no veteran free agent would "want to come in and play for" Babcock.

Unbelievable!

People are going to bemoan this “piling on” of Babcock, but he didn’t have to act this way in the first place. You can be a hard ass coach without being a complete *******, which he evidently was/is.

All his talk about being a good person and doing things the right way is really hollow now. Guy is one hell of a hypocrite.

+1000

How many times did we hear that "the most important thing is to be a good person" crap?

He’s creepy
Like a Scooby Dooooo villain

LMAO, I remember those villains.

 

[Blufreezy]

Babcock is essentially every shitty hockey parent we see on the news each winter.

 

[Myopic]

Partly because at that point the only stories out there were Commodore's and he seemed to (and still does) have an unhealthy obsession with Babcock.

Now that more details are out, and more players have spoken out the tone shifts. That's what happens.

That's simply not true. There were a lot of examples including the Modano story, Chris Chelios, and lot of rumors out of Detroit that the players hated him. Commodore wouldn't have been so angry if it was not true and yet the foks in here had every excuse to defend Babcock and sh*t on the evidence.

How many totally dismissed the Modano story as nothing or the Jason Spezza benching vs Ottawa? Total dick moves yet the company men in here defended Babcock.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

He and Dubas clearly did not agree on the construction of a team that they believed could win the cup. Shanahan probably should have realized this was going to be dysfunctional when he replaced Lou, and it seemed to have lacked foresight, but my guess is they didn't have the necessary political capital to remove Lou and Babs in the same off-season.

There's an expression - "It starts at the top." He does the hiring, etc. Do we have the right guy?

 

[PaulD]

I don't really understand any defence of Babcock at this point.

The man is now out of the organization, its evident a lot of the players are happy about it. If the players are happy about it, so should you, since they are the ones playing for the team you cheer for.

If the hiring of Keefe means too much change in the way you are used to the game being, well then learn to deal with change.

I used to not care about picks, prospects and youth. I used to love fighting and couldn't imagine the game without it. Times have changed and I have adapted to it because this is my favourite sport and I knew I'd have to change with the game.

I am now all about youth, development and skill. Seeing a hockey fight now makes me cringe as its so out of place. It is what it is.

LOL !!!