Post-Game Talk: B2B Jets lose 4-1

[grieves]

Didn't include the PK and PP as they have nothing to do with this... *Stats are team wide, not just Wheeler on ice

	HDCF%	SV% 5v5
Wheeler at wing	40.40%	92.29%
Wheeler at C	39.90%	93.51%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

High danger corsi for percentage? Nothing else that can be dug up (CF%, xGF%, GF%)?

Appreciate it regardless for sure, thanks

 

[Tommigun]

Yup , lose a couple games and Fire the coach , fowards all such , D are brutal , goalie sucks , the Jets suck , my life is over , where's that rope so i can go hang myself . HF boards is so predictable .

I actually did not mind either game . We created lots of scoring chances and seem to carry the play fairly often . It's to bad we only got 1 point out of those two games but i tip my hat to St Louis . Off to the next game , Go Jets Go !!!!!

Yeah it’s like people watched different games. I saw two coin flip games.

 

[Tommigun]

Why are people so hard on Scheifele? Didn’t see him do anything too bad, except that one play in OT last game. Is there a specific play they are referring to? Or is it the general grumpiness after a loss?

 

[Jets 31]

Blame the GDT maker , he sucks . Instead of hitting 3 posts those go in and instead of a puck landing on Bings back of his neck it bounces in we have a way different game . If Frenchie is back next game he should replace Roslovic on the second line then Roslovic can help give the Lowry line some speed .

 

[jepjepjoo]

High danger corsi for percentage? Nothing else that can be dug up?

Appreciate it regardless for sure, thanks

I thought you wanted it to be compared like the stats on the post you quoted...

	GF%	xGF%	SCF%	PDO	CF%
Wheeler at wing	45.90	43.14	49.78	0.993	50.24
Wheeler at center	56.67	37.27	45.73	1.031	47.21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[tntkid]

Yup , lose a couple games and Fire the coach , fowards all such , D are brutal , goalie sucks , the Jets suck , my life is over , where's that rope so i can go hang myself . HF boards is so predictable .

I actually did not mind either game . We created lots of scoring chances and seem to carry the play fairly often . It's to bad we only got 1 point out of those two games but i tip my hat to St Louis . Off to the next game , Go Jets Go !!!!!

At no point in this 2 game back to back series did we even have a lead.
We got lucky and got the first game to overtime.

The Blues embarrassed us in today's game and exposed the holes in our game.

 

[Gm0ney]

Yeah it’s like people watched different games. I saw two coin flip games.

Today's game sure wasn't a coin flip at 5v5.

Friday's was a little closer...

The Jets' powerplays helped make things look and feel a bit closer.

 

[Jets 31]

Why are people so hard on Scheifele? Didn’t see him do anything too bad, except that one play in OT last game. Is there a specific play they are referring to? Or is it the general grumpiness after a loss?

Scheifele is crying to the refs too much and now the refs are letting borderline stuff against him not get called . He's our leading scorer and has to play defense a little better , although Connor is no help in that regard so it's getting magnified if you ask me . Still by far our #1 center though .

 

[FFHockey]

Maurice has clearly made a conscious decision that Scheifele and Wheeler will never be held accountable for literally anything they do on the ice. And I mean, this has been rehashed over and over again but to expect it to change now is a fool's errand. Frankly I think that Lowry falls under the same category.

Agree on Scheif and Wheels...Lowry though? Please explain

 

[grieves]

I thought you wanted it to be compared like the stats on the post you quoted...

	GF%	xGF%	SCF%	PDO	CF%
Wheeler at wing	45.90	43.14	49.78	0.993	50.24
Wheeler at center	56.67	37.27	45.73	1.031	47.21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Ah, right, my bad.

Yeah those are not pretty numbers. The top two lines seem to be more balanced from the eye-test perspective. It's good that the GF% has improved but it seems even still we are not good enough.

Maybe some moves can be made to try to optimize the team further but we need some hail-mary moves at this point. May be better to just play Brossoit as the starter...

Tough numbers.

 

[Jets 31]

these losses are not okay...

the more bad hockey the jets play, the more of the fanbase gets turned off or don't show up...

for the first time in seven seasons, the winnipeg jets did not make a profit for last year...

Winnipeg Jets on the Forbes The Business of Hockey List

Well lets all stop going to games because the Jets are losing a few , then we could lose our hockey team all over again , sounds like a fantastic thing to do . Jesus .

 

[AKAChip]

Agree on Scheif and Wheels...Lowry though? Please explain

In my opinion, Lowry is a fourth line centre playing a role above his capability. I have absolutely no issue with his effort level, and I suppose this is more of a statement of Maurice misevaluating talent than not holding a player responsible but if you play the minutes that Lowry plays, you need to provide at least something in the offensive zone. Lowry has consistently shown he can’t provide that and still plays relatively heavy minutes.

 

[Heldig]

Yup , lose a couple games and Fire the coach , fowards all such , D are brutal , goalie sucks , the Jets suck , my life is over , where's that rope so i can go hang myself . HF boards is so predictable .

I actually did not mind either game . We created lots of scoring chances and seem to carry the play fairly often . It's to bad we only got 1 point out of those two games but i tip my hat to St Louis . Off to the next game , Go Jets Go !!!!!

It is not that black or white. There have been articles written about the Jets poor stats and the inevitable fall. Giving up 16 high danger scoring chances is dreadful team defense. This happens a LOT because the D are bad and the forwards are not committed to play D.

I have maintained the Jets have too much talent to miss the playoffs but there are many troubling signs.

 

[Tommigun]

Today's game sure wasn't a coin flip at 5v5.

Friday's was a little closer...

The Jets' powerplays helped make things look and feel a bit closer.

How about the Jets PK that made things look worse? Or should we just cherry pick? I think St Louis had 5 shots on one PP in the first game, not to mention the goals.

 

[LowLefty]

At no point in this 2 game back to back series did we even have a lead.
We got lucky and got the first game to overtime.

The Blues embarrassed us in today's game and exposed the holes in our game.

They have a better team than we do - that might explain some of what you mention.
I don't think they embarrassed us today - actually, with 3 posts, we could have won this one.

 

[tntkid]

Scheifele is crying to the refs too much and now the refs are letting borderline stuff against him not get called . He's our leading scorer and has to play defense a little better , although Connor is no help in that regard so it's getting magnified if you ask me . Still by far our #1 center though .

Scheifele is turning into a crybaby whiner to the refs.

They are probably getting sick of his bullshit

 

[Jets 31]

We almost won on Friday , and hit 3 posts today against one of the best teams in the NHL without Frenchie , Copp , Little and Buff but fire and trade everyone , ok .

 

[tntkid]

They have a better team than we do - that might explain some of what you mention.
I don't think they embarrassed us today - actually, with 3 posts, we could have won this one.

We could not buy a goal this afternoon.

We are lucky we did not get shut out.

 

[Tommigun]

Well lets all stop going to games because the Jets are losing a few , then we could lose our hockey team all over again , sounds like a fantastic thing to do . Jesus .

Exactly what Bettman was warning about when the team came back. Maybe Winnipeg isn’t big enough to host a team after all, that would be sad.

 

[tbcwpg]

He was mediocre tonight. His last 10 games? His average save % is probably somewhere around 860. I haven't done the math though. That's dumpster fire quality.

edit: I did the math, his save % over the last 7 of his starts are 884.

Coincided with your return to watching games - he feels the pressure!

 

[AKAChip]

Exactly what Bettman was warning about when the team came back. Maybe Winnipeg isn’t big enough to host a team after all, that would be sad.

Yes, I remember Bettman’s speech about Adam Lowry like it were yesterday.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Feels unfair. Jets had three posts, if any of those had gone in they could very well have won. 1 point out of 4 in an even series, that was decided by goaltending (Binnington was a wall in the second game), with lots of bad luck on the Jets side, is an unlucky result.

Many players a failing the eye test though. Posts or no Posts.

I feel I don’t need to list the culprits but here you go anyways...

Fefe completely disinterested out there
Wheels shifts are ridiculously long making him ineffective
Connor ALOW for a chunks of games
Lowry see Fefe
Applecart back to the Moose!
Bourque not NHL grade FW

Sisba, Potatoe, Bolo are ALL none NHL grade D.

The PoMo time is done here. We will get nothing much done with him here . 4th line gets you a goal and then you don’t play them forever!?!? Pfffft. Rev up the fire PoMo thread.

 

[LowLefty]

It is not that black or white. There have been articles written about the Jets poor stats and the inevitable fall. Giving up 16 high danger scoring chances is dreadful team defense. This happens a LOT because the D are bad and the forwards are not committed to play D.

I have maintained the Jets have too much talent to miss the playoffs but there are many troubling signs.

Agree -
The question is, will our team (best players) play a D style game knowing that is likely the only way we can compete - especially against teams as good as the Blues. Is it coaching or one dimensional players?
What do you do? Make a few high profile moves or fire the coach (or both)?

We will win a few based on pure offensive domination - but not against this level of competition.

 

[Jets 31]

Scheifele is turning into a crybaby whiner to the refs.

They are probably getting sick of his bull****

He has to stop doing it so much i totally agree because he's not going to get borderline calls go his way .

 

[LowLefty]

We could not buy a goal this afternoon.

We are lucky we did not get shut out.

They are lucky the post was their friend tonight -