Proposal: AZ - EDM - OTT

[McDNicks17]

Zero chance I include the 1st in a deal for Murray.

 

[sens13]

oilers fans don't think barrie is a dump so none of them will like this deal. they are adamant someone will want barrie. they never mention who this 'team' is but there sure someone is going to want a 30 year old d that can't play d for the next 2 and a half seasons.

from the sens perspective yes murray has been playing garbage for most of the contract but he has been playing very well in the last month. considering that forsberg is meh and gustvafsson still needs more time I don't think there looking to dump murray.

 

[TFHockey]

Agree Broberg's great, he's only 20 and definitely has upside. Certainly one of the better D prospects in the league. But, Chych's only 23 -- when he was 22 (e.g., only 2 years older than Broberg is now), he led the NHL in goals / got Norris votes while also playing a strong 200 foot game. Plus at 4.6m (for multiple years) he's on a steal of a contract (matters more in this flat cap / COVID era).

You tell me, in 2 years do you expect Broberg to be leading the NHL in goal scoring while also playing a strong 200ft game? If not, there's your answer

I think most Oiler fans hope Broberg turns into Chychrun.

 

[TFHockey]

oilers fans don't think barrie is a dump so none of them will like this deal. they are adamant someone will want barrie. they never mention who this 'team' is but there sure someone is going to want a 30 year old d that can't play d for the next 2 and a half seasons.

from the sens perspective yes murray has been playing garbage for most of the contract but he has been playing very well in the last month. considering that forsberg is meh and gustvafsson still needs more time I don't think there looking to dump murray.

You know, this is a pretty tired thing to say.

There are a number of teams who struggle on the power play. How about the Coyotes? Why would Arizona want a player like Barrie? Maybe because their PP is at 12.61%, dead last in the league. That is brutal number in any era.

Maybe Montreal would want a player like Barrie? Their power play is spluttering along at 13.95%, good for SECOND last in the league.

How about Columbus? Washington? Philly? Seattle? Detroit? New Jersey? All have lower than 17% on the power play and are in the bottom quarter of the NHL.

So don't go on about how "nobody" would want Barrie or than no one ever says who might. You're full of B.S.

 

[Oddbob]

How does this trade improve Edmonton in net? It also adds a cap dump goalie which they are just about to get rid of at season's end in Koskinen if not sooner. Than they are giving up assets to boot!

 

[Kaibur]

You know, this is a pretty tired thing to say.

There are a number of teams who struggle on the power play. How about the Coyotes? Why would Arizona want a player like Barrie? Maybe because their PP is at 12.61%, dead last in the league. That is brutal number in any era.

Maybe Montreal would want a player like Barrie? Their power play is spluttering along at 13.95%, good for SECOND last in the league.

How about Columbus? Washington? Philly? Seattle? Detroit? New Jersey? All have lower than 17% on the power play and are in the bottom quarter of the NHL.

So don't go on about how "nobody" would want Barrie or than no one ever says who might. You're full of B.S.

The Coyotes are not interested in improving their PP; they are rebuilding.

The Coyotes were offering Shayne Gostibehere (28) for a late 2nd or a late 1st with retention. Ghost is 8-20-28 in 45GP with 1-7-8 on the PP. He has a caphit of $4.5M while making a little less in actual cash next season.

Compare that to Barrie (30) on a better club and his 3-14-17 in 36GP with 2-7-9 on the PP. His caphit is $4.5M as well, but he has a slightly backloaded deal that runs an extra season, so he's owed more money at a slightly older age and his overall production is currently about 60% of Ghost's, even while his PP production is about the same.

If the Coyotes can't get a late 2nd for Ghost right now without retention, what do you think the return on Barrie is right now?

Again, if the Oilers don't make the playoffs, does Holland get fired? If so, can he afford to wait until the off-season when the trade value on Barrie might increase?

 

[Kaibur]

How does this trade improve Edmonton in net? It also adds a cap dump goalie which they are just about to get rid of at season's end in Koskinen if not sooner. Than they are giving up assets to boot!

Koskinen's 3.15GAA and .900 and he's already played 1521MIN and faced 800 shots while Edmonton is going into a condensed scheduled where their goalies are going to have to play some back to backs and 3-in-4's.

Murray's 2.85GAA and .910 on a weaker club. He's played 778MIN (half of Koskinen) and faced 411 shots (just more than half).

I believe Edmonton's GM's job is on the line and that's the reason the owner summoned him.

The difference in making the playoffs and missing might be just a few wins and might amount to the difference in play between Murray and Koskinen.

I understand that fans might not like losing value that looks off in a vacuum, but I think the GM might value his job enough to try something like this.

 

[Oddbob]

Koskinen's 3.15GAA and .900 and he's already played 1521MIN and faced 800 shots while Edmonton is going into a condensed scheduled where their goalies are going to have to play some back to backs and 3-in-4's.

Murray's 2.85GAA and .910 on a weaker club. He's played 778MIN (half of Koskinen) and faced 411 shots (just more than half).

I believe Edmonton's GM's job is on the line and that's the reason the owner summoned him.

The difference in making the playoffs and missing might be just a few wins and might amount to the difference in play between Murray and Koskinen.

I understand that fans might not like losing value that looks off in a vacuum, but I think the GM might value his job enough to try something like this.

Murray also has a high cap hit with term, and had 2 really bad seasons just before this very small window of only ok/decent play. If the Oilers go get a goalie, they will go after a much better one, or a cheaper one. Murray's play has largely been bad lately, and Edmonton is in the hot seat right now to do something playoff wise, and betting on Murray is a bad bet for them to take, especially when giving up a 1st or a 2nd. Ottawa would have to pay to get rid of Murray, they wouldn't be gaining assets for him.

Marc-Andre Fleury is playing better, and is a pending UFA. There is also possibly Varlamov available if the Isles are out of the playoffs by the deadline.

 

[Kaibur]

Murray also has a high cap hit with term, and had 2 really bad seasons just before this very small window of only ok/decent play. If the Oilers go get a goalie, they will go after a much better one, or a cheaper one. Murray's play has largely been bad lately, and Edmonton is in the hot seat right now to do something playoff wise, and betting on Murray is a bad bet for them to take, especially when giving up a 1st or a 2nd. Ottawa would have to pay to get rid of Murray, they wouldn't be gaining assets for him.

Marc-Andre Fleury is playing better, and is a pending UFA. There is also possibly Varlamov available if the Isles are out of the playoffs by the deadline.

Isn't the rumor that Varlamov has a 16 team NTC and the Isles were unwilling to ask him to waive because they wanted an interpreter/roommate for Sorokin?

And Fleury has a 10 team NTC and a $7M caphit, which makes it harder for the Oilers to fit him. Plus, Holland has said he won't spend a major asset on a rental, so doesn't that mean Fleury, since he's a pending UFA?

It just seems to me that there's really not options out there that the Oilers haven't already asked about and Holland has probably run out of time.

 

[spaghtti]

I don’t think Holland’s job is on the line if the Oilers miss the playoffs ( I also highly doubt that they will miss the playoffs).

If I’m Holland I’m not looking for a long term solution for the net at the trade deadline unless it’s a ridiculous offer in the Oilers favour.

Instead I’d try to improve the net on a short term solution for these playoffs and look long term in the summer when more goalies will be available.

 

[spaghtti]

As an Oilers fan, I want no part of Matt Murray

 

[Oddbob]

Isn't the rumor that Varlamov has a 16 team NTC and the Isles were unwilling to ask him to waive because they wanted an interpreter/roommate for Sorokin?

And Fleury has a 10 team NTC and a $7M caphit, which makes it harder for the Oilers to fit him. Plus, Holland has said he won't spend a major asset on a rental, so doesn't that mean Fleury, since he's a pending UFA?

It just seems to me that there's really not options out there that the Oilers haven't already asked about and Holland has probably run out of time.

Hawks can retain 50% and at the deadline it isn't the full 3.5 mill cap hit at 50% it is much less than that. Goalies don't fetch as much and Holland said no 1st for a rental, they could get Fleury got a 2nd plus something for example. Not only that they could send Koskinen back as cap dump which would offset any cost of adding Fleury anyways.

If as you suggest Holland added Murray, Oiler fans would laugh him out of the city, or cry so loud he leaves!

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Replace (Lybushkin + 2nd) with Zub and it's a deal.

lol, hell no.

Ottawa isn't moving Zub.

As for Murray, he's starting to turn the corner and look like a decent netminder again. Either way, now way I'm handing over the reigns to Forsberg if we move Murray, and Gus isn't quite ready yet. Wedgewood isn't the answer, either.

 

[Sniped90]

Agree Broberg's great, he's only 20 and definitely has upside. Certainly one of the better D prospects in the league. But, Chych's only 23 -- when he was 22 (e.g., only 2 years older than Broberg is now), he led the NHL in goals / got Norris votes while also playing a strong 200 foot game. Plus at 4.6m (for multiple years) he's on a steal of a contract (matters more in this flat cap / COVID era).

You tell me, in 2 years do you expect Broberg to be leading the NHL in goal scoring while also playing a strong 200ft game? If not, there's your answer

thing is you dont know what will happen in 2 years thats the thing. chychrun isnt going to change much, what you see is what you get for the most part. not knocking chychrun or anything but oilers are in a pretty well win now situation and need to complete the team sooner than later so waiting for broberg even though he probably will be the better player isnt really an option at this time

 

[Jumptheshark]

Without the 1st not a chance the Coyotes accept. Why would they trade for Barrie?

Barrie does not end up in Arizona in my trade. He ends up in Ottawa

 

[Kaibur]

Barrie does not end up in Arizona in my trade. He ends up in Ottawa

Again, how does that work? What does your trade look like? Murray's caphit is $6.25M and Barrie's is $4.5M. Where does that other $1.75M in cap from Edmonton to balance it out come from? Is it a contract that Ottawa is willing to take on, or does it require a third party?

Just as importantly, it's Ottawa and Melnyk we're talking about here. The actual cash figure matters, especially in a flat cap, COVID impacted year, when they've missed the playoffs.

Ottawa was looking to straight dump Murray's contract 3 months ago, implying that Melnyk does not want to spend the $15M in cash he is still owed the next 2 years. Josh Norris' contract is coming up for a raise and they really only have Tierney and Sanford coming off the books.

If there's a way like this to get rid of the Murray contract that essentially costs Melnyk nothing, I think he would prefer that to taking back contracts like Barrie's.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I won't lie... I can understand Oilers' frustration on Murray... but the last half a dozen games he's looking like 2 time stanley cup champion Matt Murray.

If he plays like this another dozen or so games, he'll be extremely enticing for a lot of teams. Ottawa could very well keep him, even with a great offer on the board.

 

[Kaibur]

I won't lie... I can understand Oilers' frustration on Murray... but the last half a dozen games he's looking like 2 time stanley cup champion Matt Murray.

If he plays like this another dozen or so games, he'll be extremely enticing for a lot of teams. Ottawa could very well keep him, even with a great offer on the board.

You don't think Melnyk will use Murray's improved play as an opportunity to get out from under the contract, particularly as it gets more expensive?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

You don't think Melnyk will use Murray's improved play as an opportunity to get out from under the contract, particularly as it gets more expensive?

Well... we did sign him to that contract ourselves, lol.

So if he's delivering the way we wanted, why would we want to trade him. I called Murray done 2 months ago. The guy is playing like an insane beast since then.

 

[PainForShane]

thing is you dont know what will happen in 2 years thats the thing. chychrun isnt going to change much, what you see is what you get for the most part. not knocking chychrun or anything but oilers are in a pretty well win now situation and need to complete the team sooner than later so waiting for broberg even though he probably will be the better player isnt really an option at this time

So... if you honestly think Chychrun will stop improving (as a 23 years old defenseman) and also that Broberg will "probably be the better player" we don't have a lot in common here. Up to you if you want to continue this conversation, personally I'm ok with agreeing to disagree and letting us both get on with the weekend

 

[Mal Reynolds]

You don't think Melnyk will use Murray's improved play as an opportunity to get out from under the contract, particularly as it gets more expensive?

Maybe (probably?) but it's not like the other goalies they have have really taken the starting job and ran with it. Murray might be their best option atm

 

[Kaibur]

The team has an outstanding record against its own division, which isn't overly competitive this season. They also just added Evander Kane to their roster and are currently running one of three deeper forward groups the team has seen in recent years.

Depth and poor 5v5 results have been the team's weakness for some time. Those issues may not be as prominent moving forward.

I looked at the Oilers schedule coming up and it's rough. From Tuesday, the Oilers play 12 games in 21 days (!) The month of Feb is basically all back-to-backs and 3-in-4s. The end of that 12-game run is a roadtrip to TB, FLA, CAR, PHI, (+CHI on Mar 3rd to end the trip). Tough and tiring schedule for a team trying to make the playoffs. That depth is going to be tested in the month ahead. (For comparison, the Coyotes play 8 in 21 but the Sens also play 12 in 22 days!).

After the All-Star break there is 6 weeks until the trade deadline. The condensed schedule is going to be harder on some teams and the chance for injuries or illness to impact games is higher than normal. I think that will effect the trade market and some teams will be motivated to make a move sooner than later.

 

[TFHockey]

I looked at the Oilers schedule coming up and it's rough. From Tuesday, the Oilers play 12 games in 21 days (!) The month of Feb is basically all back-to-backs and 3-in-4s. The end of that 12-game run is a roadtrip to TB, FLA, CAR, PHI, (+CHI on Mar 3rd to end the trip). Tough and tiring schedule for a team trying to make the playoffs. That depth is going to be tested in the month ahead. (For comparison, the Coyotes play 8 in 21 but the Sens also play 12 in 22 days!).

After the All-Star break there is 6 weeks until the trade deadline. The condensed schedule is going to be harder on some teams and the chance for injuries or illness to impact games is higher than normal. I think that will effect the trade market and some teams will be motivated to make a move sooner than later.

The Oilers schedule is a brutal one and they know it. The coaches and the players have discussed it and know what they're up against and what they must do.

My concerns are two fold;

1. Koskinen does not play well when he is overworked,
2. Tippett's over reliance on veteran players means McDavid, Draisaitl and and Nurse are going to be eating tons of minutes, wearing them out for the playoffs.

So I agree there will be a trade or two coming. Koskinen will either get dealt or get someone to play in tandem with him. I have no faith Smith can handle a ton of games without injury anymore.

 

[Roof Daddy]

This is somewhat similar to something I proposed in the Barrie trade thread (just didn't include the Yotes):

To OTT: Barrie+Foegele+Koskinen

Yo EDM: Murray+Paul

Melnyk/Sens looked like they wanted to part with Matt Murray earlier in the year. He’s playing better now, though still debatable whether he’s worth his contract. Same applies to Barrie. Kind of a change of scenery between those two. Foegele and Paul are close to similar quality, but I do feel Paul is better. For the Oil, Paul brings a better 2 way game and his contract ends. Creates space for Holloway next year.

I don't see the need to involve Arizona in this one. I get that the OP is operating under the premise that Ottawa wouldn't be interested in taking on $$$, but Murray is scheduled to make 7 and 8 mil in actual $$$ in the final 2 years of his contract, so they'd be getting out of that. Yes, Barrie and Foegele have backloaded contracts as well, but both are easier to move individually than Murray if the Sens look to cut cap... though I think both of those players could be a good fit for the Sens.

The alternative would be to simplify it and just do Barrie + Koskinen for Murray. It creates 2.75 mil in cap space for additional moves at the deadline, plus upgrades us in goal. For the Sens, Kosko is done at the end of the year, Barrie doesn't hit his backloaded year until final year of the deal so they're saving a decent amount in actual $$$ next year (Barries 4.5 vs Murray's 7), they could see if Barrie can help their PP for a year, then trade him at the 2023 draft when he only has 1 year left.

Either way, I don't see us giving up a 1st in an attempt to land Murray. Unlike many of my fellow Oil fans, I do feel he's a significant upgrade on Koskinen, but with that contract I wouldn't pay assets to acquire him.​

 

[Homesick]

I won't lie... I can understand Oilers' frustration on Murray... but the last half a dozen games he's looking like 2 time stanley cup champion Matt Murray.

If he plays like this another dozen or so games, he'll be extremely enticing for a lot of teams. Ottawa could very well keep him, even with a great offer on the board.

Koskinen has had a .917SV% in his past 5 games. No Oilers fan is going to try to convince you that he's a legit NHL starter now. So have a little respect and don't do the same with Murray.

Murray has too little time to make up the past two seasons to convince me to take on his contract