Proposal: AZ - EDM - OTT

[coopooter]

I don't see any reason for that level of confidence. They have a rough condensed schedule ahead of them because of all the schedule changes - back to backs and 3-in-4's. Koskinen's played a lot and Smith is still an open question mark. Not to mention COVID or injuries could be a factor.

Supposing for a moment that they do miss the playoffs, do you think Holland gets axed? I think that's a major factor.

Actually not true at all. They only have 3 b2b games compared to like 9 for flames

 

[coopooter]

Oilers want nothing to do with this deal. You can buy out Murray yourselves

 

[rt]

As an AZ fan, I’d do it. Adding Barrie allows us to sell-high on Gostisbehere, too.

Barrie and his dad already own homes in AZ. Gostisbehere never even moved his family out here.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Koskinen has had a .917SV% in his past 5 games. No Oilers fan is going to try to convince you that he's a legit NHL starter now. So have a little respect and don't do the same with Murray.

Murray has too little time to make up the past two seasons to convince me to take on his contract

... Murray is .939 ?

I dont understand your post. Murray is a 2 time cup winner. I said he's been looking like that. Nothing I said was untrue. What respect? Looks like you need to take your avatar's advice.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I wouldn’t do Barrie for Murray straight up or pay a 1st for Lyubushkin. I’d rather just live with Koskinen (his numbers aren’t great but he does have a 16-8-2 record)

Murray has significant negative value. Ottawa’s not dumping him at full pop and picking up a first for doing so.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I won't lie... I can understand Oilers' frustration on Murray... but the last half a dozen games he's looking like 2 time stanley cup champion Matt Murray.

If he plays like this another dozen or so games, he'll be extremely enticing for a lot of teams. Ottawa could very well keep him, even with a great offer on the board.

20 games doesnt erase two seasons.

 

[McDNicks17]

The most I'd do for Murray is like Koskinen and Kassian for Murray with $1.25M retained.

That contract is just way too ugly. In two seasons, he'll be making the same money as Draisaitl. Ugly with a capital U.

 

[Kaibur]

I wouldn’t do Barrie for Murray straight up or pay a 1st for Lyubushkin. I’d rather just live with Koskinen (his numbers aren’t great but he does have a 16-8-2 record)

Murray has significant negative value. Ottawa’s not dumping him at full pop and picking up a first for doing so.

Do you think Holland gets canned if the Oilers miss the playoffs? Or is he safe for some reason? I get why fans might want to stay with Koskinen and pray for a miracle from Smith. But can Holland afford to stand pat if his job is on the line?

Maybe I'm wrong and Katz just summoned him to tell him everything is fine and he still has confidence? It just seemed like a hot-seat sort of meeting, and the schedule between now and the trade deadline would be tough even with Smith and Koskinen both fresh.

 

[McDNicks17]

Do you think Holland gets canned if the Oilers miss the playoffs? Or is he safe for some reason? I get why fans might want to stay with Koskinen and pray for a miracle from Smith. But can Holland afford to stand pat if his job is on the line?

Maybe I'm wrong and Katz just summoned him to tell him everything is fine and he still has confidence? It just seemed like a hot-seat sort of meeting, and the schedule between now and the trade deadline would be tough even with Smith and Koskinen both fresh.

If Holland's job was in danger, he would have fired Tippett months ago.

Nicholson and Holland are as safe as ever with Katz in charge.

 

[Kaibur]

If Holland's job was in danger, he would have fired Tippett months ago.

Nicholson and Holland are as safe as ever with Katz in charge.

Fair enough. I might have misunderstood the importance of making the playoffs for the Oilers this season and the security of Holland/Tippett. I actually assumed the bar was at least a playoff round win or one of them would get axed, but it certainly sounds like the bar is a good bit lower from the comments of fans in this thread and Holland may not have any motivation to make a move.

 

[TFHockey]

If the Oilers miss the playoffs, do you believe Holland will be fired?

No. Tippett maybe, not Holland.

 

[spaghtti]

Fair enough. I might have misunderstood the importance of making the playoffs for the Oilers this season and the security of Holland/Tippett. I actually assumed the bar was at least a playoff round win or one of them would get axed, but it certainly sounds like the bar is a good bit lower from the comments of fans in this thread and Holland may not have any motivation to make a move.

There’s motivation to make the playoffs sure.

I doubt failing to make the playoffs will cost Holland his job.

No smart GM will be so motivated to do the OP even if their job was on the line.

The OP would be career suicide

 

[Joey Moss]

Koskinen is a better goaltender than Murray and we are moving a 1st for him?

Well thought out is a stretch..

 

[McDNicks17]

Fair enough. I might have misunderstood the importance of making the playoffs for the Oilers this season and the security of Holland/Tippett. I actually assumed the bar was at least a playoff round win or one of them would get axed, but it certainly sounds like the bar is a good bit lower from the comments of fans in this thread and Holland may not have any motivation to make a move.

Holland has made a career out of not making a move.

 

[ManofSteel55]

No way on anything Murray. The hang up on a Murray deal is that he is signed forever and has been awful for the past 2 or 3 years aside from these last few weeks. No sale.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Fair enough. I might have misunderstood the importance of making the playoffs for the Oilers this season and the security of Holland/Tippett. I actually assumed the bar was at least a playoff round win or one of them would get axed, but it certainly sounds like the bar is a good bit lower from the comments of fans in this thread and Holland may not have any motivation to make a move.

well the thing is Murray is totally unreliable to put up even halfway okay numbers. He’s had a good month, but that doesn’t net you a first.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Barrie to Arizona makes some sense. The rest of this is...questionable.

 

[Sniped90]

I looked at the Oilers schedule coming up and it's rough. From Tuesday, the Oilers play 12 games in 21 days (!) The month of Feb is basically all back-to-backs and 3-in-4s. The end of that 12-game run is a roadtrip to TB, FLA, CAR, PHI, (+CHI on Mar 3rd to end the trip). Tough and tiring schedule for a team trying to make the playoffs. That depth is going to be tested in the month ahead. (For comparison, the Coyotes play 8 in 21 but the Sens also play 12 in 22 days!).

After the All-Star break there is 6 weeks until the trade deadline. The condensed schedule is going to be harder on some teams and the chance for injuries or illness to impact games is higher than normal. I think that will effect the trade market and some teams will be motivated to make a move sooner than later.

i honestly think yamo and JP need to be moved along with kassian, barrie, kosk, turris... lol. not because theyre bad players but we need to have upgrades and i think we do that with trading with buffalo, i think if we include JP in a deal for tuch and thompson we can upgrade and get tougher as well. not only that though get luke schenn once barrie is gone can be had for cheap and is cheap, in the same deal id grab halak as well, tbh if smith gets hurt again this season they should ltiretire him. play him a game or 2 in the playoffs so if they win the cup he still gets a ring. they need to do something and i think getting schenn and halak in a sneaky style deal is what we need halaks #s are better than kosks and i trust him playing longer stretches of games over kosk even though hes done quite well as of recent.

 

[Sniped90]

Barrie to Arizona makes some sense. The rest of this is...questionable.

barrie for crouse lol

 

[Kaibur]

Barrie to Arizona makes some sense. The rest of this is...questionable.

I didn't think it was that questionable. The Coyotes say they are willing to take cap for picks. Ottawa wanted to get rid of the Murray contract for nothing 3 months ago. I thought the Oilers needed to make the playoffs this season, but apparently that's not really the case, so that's the part that's questionable.

Barrie to Arizona only makes any sense if the Coyotes can trade Ghost. They acquired him as a pump-n-dump and he's played well, but the market for offensive D is apparently very weak right now, as they can't get a late 2nd for him (or a late 1st with retention this year and next). So they've said they will keep him until next year (he says he likes the Valley and the team, so he's comfortable waiting).

If the Coyotes can't get a late 2nd for Ghost, who has better number this year than Barrie on a much weaker team and has a cheaper, shorter contract with the same cap hit, than what is the expected return on Barrie right now? Especially if you're not willing to retain or take back dead cap (like the Coyotes are)?

Oilers fans talk about Barrie like he will be easy to move, and that might be true in the off-season. But right now, the market for offensive D is apparently very low. If the Oilers can wait until the off-season, they'll probably find a trade partner. I assumed they needed to do something before the off-season because the playoffs were a necessity for Holland to keep his job, but I was wrong about that.

If Ottawa is looking for an offensive D in this deal, rather than winding up with Barrie, the Coyotes could add Ghost for Ottawa's '22 or '23 2nd with some retention. But they probably would prefer not to take Ghost or Barrie back in the deal at all.