Confirmed with Link: Avs Sign Oskar Olausson to ELC

[Pokecheque]

I’d say about the only three players whom Bednar didn’t really care for who found success outside the Avs organization are AJ Greer, Nikita Zadorov, and Kiefer Sherwood. Any other guys he didn’t really give the time of day were/are pretty much worthless.

FTR it ain’t just Bednar making decisions as to who gets called up and gets a real shot at NHL ice time.

 

[AvsMakar08]

At least Newhook and Barron were utilized to get excellent value in trades.

Man, I did not even realize that Barron busted out. Nice trades.

 

[Metallo]

I can scarcely believe what I'm about to do. Here is everyone who's made their NHL debut under Bednar, as well as reclamation projects:

16/17:
Sam Henley - One game, one goal, king shit
Anton Lindholm - Terrible
A.J. Greer - Now seems to have stuck in the NHL if not on one team, but the idea of him always seems better than the results
Tyson Jost - Started off on the first powerplay unit, played over 300 games and you can't remember any of them
J.T. Compher - Inescapable

17/18:
Dominic Toninato - College FA who's up and down between the AHL and NHL his whole career
Andrei Mironov - We'll always have the masseuse
Vladislav Kamensky - Broken in half two shifts into his career
Nail Yakupov - "He skates like he's being chased by bees" is the best scouting report I've seen on HF - for accuracy and eloquence
Alexander Kerfoot - Perfectly serviceable
Sam Girard - He's been top 4 his whole time here

18/19:
Sheldon Dries - He played 40 games this season!
Ryan Graves - He got all the rope that your favourite prospect didn't
Logan O'Connor - Great success!

19/20:
Martin Kaut - He had a full beard when he was drafted, one day we'll find out he's like 40 years old
Conor Timmins - The idea of him far exceeded anything he achieved
Sampo Ranta - No brain but I remember he scored a goal that got chopped off when it shouldn't have
Valeri Nichushkin - He got healthy scratched at times this year

20/21:
Keaton Middleton - He's come back around now, he's certainly getting a chance
Kyle Burroughs - He's still the NHL but not exactly a world beater
Kiefer Sherwood - Not a debut here but has definitely developed since
Bowen Byram - Situationally not the best fit with Toews, Makar and Girard
Alex Newhook - Better than Jost though not given as much of an opportunity, but on a much deeper team

21/22:
Justin Barron - Only played two games but he was there
Ben Meyers - Those 9 games he played looked promising

22/23:
Oskar Olausson - Made me do this, so he's obviously terrible
Shane Bowers - I hope his family's not on here, he's not very good
Callahan Burke - A career in the minors awaits
Jean-Luc Foudy - The space is still there and he's still not filled it
Andreas Englund - I could never tell the difference between him, Burroughs and Middleton. Unremarkable

23/24:
Ondrej Pavel - Has 12 points in 77 AHL games
Jason Polin - Played as many as 7 games for us. Do you remember him?
Nikolai Kovalenko - He was working but now he's gone
Sam Malinski - I don't think he's any good but he's sticking around
Joel Kiviranta - The sort of cheap depth we never seem to pick up from nowhere


24/25:
I'm not going through everyone but Ivan, Prischepov, Innala, Felhaber, Steinburg and Ritchie have all made NHL debuts this year with varying degrees of success and future prospects. Have any of them been unduly cast aside?

In fact, that question again. Unless I've missed anyone, how many of these names really haven't had a fair shake?

Checked out a few stats and realized that Barron has played more NHL games than Timmins.

 

[niwotsblessing]

What ever happened to Drew Hellison?

 

[AnimalMother73]

Still cooking in Anaheim apparently…about 50:50 games between the big club and the Gulls.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Twice now I've seen this thread, and thought for like half a second.. WHY? Like they just did it lol.


Stupid scouts, a f***in YMCA volunteer staff could do a better job drafting than this team.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Twice now I've seen this thread, and thought for like half a second.. WHY? Like they just did it lol.


Stupid scouts, a f***in YMCA volunteer staff could do a better job drafting than this team.

I've maintained for the last 15 years the Avs would have drafted better and saved money by eliminating their entire amateur scouting department and using Bob MacKenzie's consolidated list instead.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I've maintained for the last 15 years the Avs would have drafted better and saved money by eliminating their entire amateur scouting department and using Bob MacKenzie's consolidated list instead.

You could even go bat shit with Craig Button and do better. I did in fantasy lol.

 

[dahrougem2]

I've maintained for the last 15 years the Avs would have drafted better and saved money by eliminating their entire amateur scouting department and using Bob MacKenzie's consolidated list instead.

For shits and giggles I'm gonna take a look and see how things would have turned out in a bit here.

 

[Balthazar]

For shits and giggles I'm gonna take a look and see how things would have turned out in a bit here.

Come back with the results please.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

For shits and giggles I'm gonna take a look and see how things would have turned out in a bit here.

I really would like to hear what you found out.

I've been toying off and on with the idea, but have always felt that I would probably give up before complete. Taking the time from the third round on to eliminate every pick taken previously in order to find out who would be the highest ranked player on Bob's list at that moment in time when the Avs were on the clock just seems like a pain in the ass.

My assumption is that you need Bobby Margarita's list and the the official list of draft picks in order. Then just one by one start scratchign names off Bobby's list until you reach the Avs pick and then check Bobby's for the highest ranked player at that point and the Avs keep him. Then rinse and repeat through all rounds. However, depending on how you can get those lists, you could probably have excel do a lot of the work (vlookups and such). Let me know how you went about it if you do end up testing the theory out.

[edit...I had thought about only doing the first three rounds, but I have a feeling we'll find the biggest differences and gains in the middle to lower rounds...but then again the skill level is on a completely lower level by the time we get to these rounds, too. However, we've been absolutely dying for good, cheap home grown bottom sixers and bottom 5-7 dmen as well.]

 

[Ceremony]

Can we do better than the Canucks version of this from way back when? Sham Sharron returns: Can an intern who doesn’t watch hockey out-draft the Canucks?

 

[Balthazar]

For shits and giggles I'm gonna take a look and see how things would have turned out in a bit here.

 

[dahrougem2]

This could take a while

 

[CobraAcesS]

This could take a while

It is also worthy of its own thread if you're really going into the late rounds.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

This could take a while

As I said earlier man, it's a strong hunch/feeling I've had for quite some time, but everytime I've sat down to try and work it out, I just feel like it's too similar to what I'm doing at work all day long. Unfortunately after a couple of decades of living inside of excel and various .sql interfaces, I'm just getting burned out of data mining much less having to create the database/dataset from scratch myself.

If there was a way to pull Bobby's list and the draft lists into excel easily and cleanly it would go a lot quicker. I just didn't really find a place to export that info.

I wish you the best man.

 

[dahrougem2]

As I said earlier man, it's a strong hunch/feeling I've had for quite some time, but everytime I've sat down to try and work it out, I just feel like it's too similar to what I'm doing at work all day long. Unfortunately after a couple of decades of living inside of excel and various .sql interfaces, I'm just getting burned out of data mining much less having to create the database/dataset from scratch myself.

If there was a way to pull Bobby's list and the draft lists into excel easily and cleanly it would go a lot quicker. I just didn't really find a place to export that info.

I wish you the best man.

I need to find a ranking that doesn't separate NA and Euro. Would make it a thousand times easier.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I need to find a ranking that doesn't separate NA and Euro. Would make it a thousand times easier.

Almost impossible because they rank them indpendently of each other. The danger I ran into was that I found myself wanting to allow Bobby's list color how I would attempt to integrate the two. I'm pretty sure the subscription services consolidate their rankings but I never came across a publically available one that did.

Tons of folks here, yourself included, follow the prospects a lot closer than I do and may know of better lists. I kinda suspect @henchman21 might now of some cosolidated rankings but their probably not publically available.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I need to find a ranking that doesn't separate NA and Euro. Would make it a thousand times easier.

If you just take the CHL and sort by ppg do you get a better draft list by randomly drafting a player within the top ten ppg of remaining draft able players?

Outside of the first round you probably get better expected value than the Avs picks.

Forget strength of league or position or context (like being an over ager or playing with a top D+1 player on their line). Just literally ppg in the CHL.