Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics)

[tigervixxxen]

But how often do you have the ability to get a young #1 defenseman? It's going to cost a lot, but you can build around Lindholm and we'd still have key pieces like Zadorov, Meloche, Compher, Greer, and Morrison so we'd still have some guys left and we can fill it out with the draft and FA over the next couple years.

They aren't going to make a quantity trade. We aren't going to get these RFA holdouts unless Duchene, Landy and the like are going the other way. Bigras they should not move right now, he's getting close to breaking out. He's one that we'd watch have an amazing career somewhere else. Also all of those pieces could be sell low mode now. Bigras would be worth more if he has a good year in the NHL, if Jost lights it up then he's worth more like Mikko this time next year, if our pick is in the top 10 or better it's worth a lot more too. There's no reason to move key assets right now, not even mentioning if we should move them at all.

 

[Foppa2118]

I think the idea of moving out a bunch of salary without taking any back is a lot easier said than done at the beginning of the season. Or any time before the deadline for that matter. This is a tough trade to push through for a lot of reasons.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I think Lindholm is a number 1 no doubt.

 

[henchman21]

I'm a proponent of the idea that you get the core pieces you need to build a good team (#1C, #1D, #2C, #2D, #1G, and a #1W) and then fill in the other pieces as you can. Right now I don't think the Avs have the #1D for the future (EJ is a low end 1D now, but I don't expect that in 2 years and I'm not sold on Z being a #1), but they have every other future or current piece. Lindholm could be that #1D... I'd be willing to overpay and backfill to get that last (and probably hardest to find) needed core piece.

Not popular, but the piece I'd dangle for Lindholm would be Duchene. The Avs have the pieces to backfill the center spot over the next couple seasons (this year would be rough for the #3C spot).

 

[Avs_19]

I'd make that deal but I think the Ducks would want more than Duchene. Might prefer Landeskog to Duchene too since they have a few good centers. Maybe we could throw Rakell and Beauchemin into the deal as well so both teams get a replacement at the C/LD positions.

I think I'd rather trade someone like Duchene than 3-4 good young assets. That's what leaves you surrounding your core players with guys like Iginla, Beauchemin, Tanguay, etc.

 

[Ararana]

Not popular, but the piece I'd dangle for Lindholm would be Duchene. The Avs have the pieces to backfill the center spot over the next couple seasons (this year would be rough for the #3C spot).

As would I, with a little sweetener. MacKinnon, Soderberg, and Grigorenko could handle the top three center positions. Hell they're even developing Rantanen at center. Not to mention Jost coming up in a few years.

Though at some point they're going to have to get some decent wingers in this organization. Landy and Rantanen are our only safe bets. I see Compher and Greer as middle six.

 

[shadow1]

The Ducks have over $15 million tied up between Getzlaf and Kesler alone. They will find a way to sign Lindholm, probably at the sacrifice of a guy like Cogliano.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm a proponent of the idea that you get the core pieces you need to build a good team (#1C, #1D, #2C, #2D, #1G, and a #1W) and then fill in the other pieces as you can. Right now I don't think the Avs have the #1D for the future (EJ is a low end 1D now, but I don't expect that in 2 years and I'm not sold on Z being a #1), but they have every other future or current piece. Lindholm could be that #1D... I'd be willing to overpay and backfill to get that last (and probably hardest to find) needed core piece.

Not popular, but the piece I'd dangle for Lindholm would be Duchene. The Avs have the pieces to backfill the center spot over the next couple seasons (this year would be rough for the #3C spot).

Best time to make a move like that would have been this summer, when they could have added a potential star winger in Radulov for free, to replace a lot of what they lost in Duchene. I think since we're past that, it probably means Joe decided against it.

Jost and Rantanen look like they have good potential, but after losing Staz and ROR, it'll be tough to lose Duchene without replacing him any time soon. Not that I necessarily disagree with what you're saying, it'll just be tough for a bit, and really would come down to what Jost and Mikko develop into in 2-3 years.

 

[henchman21]

The Ducks have over $15 million tied up between Getzlaf and Kesler alone. They will find a way to sign Lindholm, probably at the sacrifice of a guy like Cogliano.

I doubt Cogs is the victim... Fowler or Despres will be.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I'm a proponent of the idea that you get the core pieces you need to build a good team (#1C, #1D, #2C, #2D, #1G, and a #1W) and then fill in the other pieces as you can. Right now I don't think the Avs have the #1D for the future (EJ is a low end 1D now, but I don't expect that in 2 years and I'm not sold on Z being a #1), but they have every other future or current piece. Lindholm could be that #1D... I'd be willing to overpay and backfill to get that last (and probably hardest to find) needed core piece.

Not popular, but the piece I'd dangle for Lindholm would be Duchene. The Avs have the pieces to backfill the center spot over the next couple seasons (this year would be rough for the #3C spot).

If absolutely trade Dutchy for Lindholm. As Avs_19 said though, Anaheim likely wants Landeskog plus.

 

[henchman21]

Anaheim likely wants Landeskog plus.

And rumors are out there that was the case this summer.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Any idea what the plus was?

 

[henchman21]

No idea.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I don't know any rumors outside of what Bobby Mac, Friedman and those guys made public but Dreger said something about Anaheim were making calls on Landy. Sakic brought up Lindholm and that didn't get very far.

 

[Bender]

Hampus Lindholm

for

Bigras
2017 1st
Tyson Jost
Grigorenko

Madness. I love Lindholm but that is ridiculous value. There are few things in hockey that I am more convinced of than the potential of Tyson Jost. There is no way you trade a kid like that never mind adding all that's being added here. (essentially 3 first round picks + a high 2nd??)

I'm a proponent of the idea that you get the core pieces you need to build a good team (#1C, #1D, #2C, #2D, #1G, and a #1W) and then fill in the other pieces as you can. Right now I don't think the Avs have the #1D for the future (EJ is a low end 1D now, but I don't expect that in 2 years and I'm not sold on Z being a #1), but they have every other future or current piece. Lindholm could be that #1D... I'd be willing to overpay and backfill to get that last (and probably hardest to find) needed core piece.

Not popular, but the piece I'd dangle for Lindholm would be Duchene. The Avs have the pieces to backfill the center spot over the next couple seasons (this year would be rough for the #3C spot).

I think we are 1 year away from that conversation. That could very well mean that neither Lindholm nor Trouba are available but we are going to need to see what kind of defense we actually have with the new coaching staff with Bednar + Pratt's systems. If it's largely the same, someone from the core will need to go for sure.

There is a school of though around some NHL circles that questions whether ultimate success is more dependent on 'systems' rather than actually having the talent/personnel. I'd venture that the answer is likely somewhere in the middle and that you can't really have success unless you've got both the talent + the right systems.

I don't believe the Avs will make a big move anyways. Much smarter to wait and see what you have before shuffling the deck.

I am always really optimistic before the season starts but I think we are going to see a lot of good things out of the Avs this season...a big step forward as a team.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Hampus Lindholm

for

Bigras
2017 1st
Tyson Jost
Grigorenko

In cap era it's very important to have young&cheap players. We don't have enough depth in prospect pool to make trades like this. I would prefer making another ROR - Grigo trade than this type of thingy.

 

[PAZ]

I'd be ok with something like EJ + Bigras/Jost for Lindholm, but I agree we can't give up a future only package, nor is it something Anaheim would want IMO.

 

[Boulder Avalanche]

If we are going for Lindholm I would prefer trading Jost over Bigras. Teams win from the backside and a defense core with Barrie, Zadorov, Bigras, and Zadorov would be scary to face.

 

[chet1926]

I know people love to win now, and have the desire to make splashy trades to get a guy like Lindholm. But really if the Avs just stay the course things are looking pretty good.

In two years you are looking at having and offensive core consisting of MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Rantanen and Jost. And then a defensive core of: Barrie, Bigras, Zadorov, EJ, with guys like Meloche pushing towards arrival. Plus you'll still have either Pickard or Varly.

IMO thats a pretty sturdy foundation. And that doesn't even take into consideration guys like Compher, Grigorenko, Greer, Morrison etc.

Not to mention after this season we'll have so extra spending cash to potentially add another nice piece or two to the puzzle.

Things are getting better, I'd rather keep what I've got going instead of trying to force a splashy trade and give up lots of good pieces.

 

[Balthazar]

I know people love to win now, and have the desire to make splashy trades to get a guy like Lindholm. But really if the Avs just stay the course things are looking pretty good.

It's actually the opposite, Lindholm isn't a "win now" guy at all. EJ is win now. Varly is win now. Hampus is still 3 to 4 years away from his prime.

I'd assume that if there was a + attached to Landy in those rumors, it would have been Bigras. Zadorov needs protection for the Vegas expansion so he's probably not as attractive right now.

Landy + Bigras for Lindholm would you guys do it?

22 year old #1 dman
for
21 year old #3 (?) dman + 23 year old top 6 winger.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

It's actually the opposite, Lindholm isn't a "win now" guy at all. EJ is win now. Varly is win now. Hampus is still 3 to 4 years away from his prime.

I'd assume that if there was a + attached to Landy in those rumors, it would have been Bigras. Zadorov needs protection for the Vegas expansion so he's probably not as attractive right now.

Landy + Bigras for Lindholm would you guys do it?

22 year old #1 dman
for
21 year old #3 (?) dman + 23 year old top 6 winger.

I don't think I would. I'd do Landy plus something smaller than Bigras but not Bigras himself.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't think I would. I'd do Landy plus something smaller than Bigras but not Bigras himself.

I know our first reaction would be that we wouldn't do it but passing on this would be the wrong thing to do. The gap between Bigras and Lindholm is big, especially considering that they are almost the same age. Also, Landy's offense is somewhat easy to replace on the UFA market.

On the other hand, this could be literally the only chance we'd have to get a young #1 dman to play with Mack. Ever. One chance and it's this one.

Nope, we can't pass.


PS: I don't think Anaheim would do it though.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I know our first reaction would be that we wouldn't do it but passing on this would be the wrong thing to do. The gap between Bigras and Lindholm is big, especially considering that they are almost the same age. Also, Landy's offense is somewhat easy to replace on the UFA market. On the other hand, this could be literally the only chance we'd have to get a young #1 dman to play with Mack. Ever. One chance and it's this one. Nope, we can't pass.


PS: I don't think Anaheim would do it though.

You're certainly not "wrong". I'm just saying I wouldn't.

 

[Balthazar]

You're certainly not "wrong". I'm just saying I wouldn't.

I understand...but just for the sake of argument...

Do we agree that Bigras' ceiling appears to be a very good #3? Do we also agree that losing Landy while adding an UFA like Okposo or JVR wouldn't hurt our team tremendously? If you answered yes to both then you'd have to agree to that trade on a heartbeat.

 

[Ivan13]

How is replacing Landeskog's offense going to be easy? Not to mention that he's the only top 6 player of our who can be trusted on the defensive end of the ice. I'd sooner trade everyone not named Mack than Landeskog.