Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics)

[henchman21]

I'd love to have Rakell! With the rumored amounts, I'd sign him to that deal immediately and enjoy his prime.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Haha, EJ with a brain. 30 games into Trouba in Colorado, people would be asking if the Avs have another "all tools, no toolbox" player. And why did they give up so much for a guy who is on pace for only 30 points. It would be eerily similar to the EJ trade all over again.

Trouba has been the one young defenceman I have wanted on the Avs since he came into the league, because he has that mean streak, but he is getting seriously overhyped. I don't see a ceiling on him in his prime much higher than the level EJ is now.

I would also put 0 stock into how EJ looked at the WCH. For a guy who is used to playing 24 minutes a night, it would be a completely different game and mind set only playing half as much.

He's much much smarter than EJ.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

I'd love to have Rakell! With the rumored amounts, I'd sign him to that deal immediately and enjoy his prime.

What's the rumored amount?

 

[henchman21]

What's the rumored amount?

6 years $4m per season.

 

[madman]

Stefan Elliott to the KHL - enjoy that wrister, Ak Bars Kazan!

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

6 years $4m per season.

Seems fair. Would be hard to fit that much under the cap though.

 

[tigervixxxen]

6 years $4m per season.

Isn't that quite a bit of term for that money?

Wonder what Stef was waiting for all this time? He was even on the Preds camp roster

 

[henchman21]

Isn't that quite a bit of term for that money?

Wonder what Stef was waiting for all this time? He was even on the Preds camp roster

It is pretty much the same as the Rask deal, and that is rumored to be what he wants. With his age, I think it is about perfect.

 

[McMetal]

I think the main reason Trouba is getting overrated by so many is because of his age. In a lot of circles, potential > performance; people only see what COULD be. Which is why I'd be leery of trading significant assets for him. We already have a young defenseman with tons of potential who has yet to put it all together (Zadorov), and look what we had to give up to get him. Inter-division trading would only up that price. I get that he's an intriguing package, but he's still not guaranteed to reach that lofty ceiling.

 

[dahrougem2]

He's much much smarter than EJ.

I would disagree strongly with that. Trouba isn't exactly the brightest defensemen out there. I think that he can have a better career than EJ but he won't be that much better, and he definitely isn't better right now.

 

[Freudian]

Realistically. What can Avs do right now to open $3-4M in cap space?

I don't think Beachemin/Iginla would waive at this point. Söderberg is kinda needed unless Compher levels up real quick.

McLeod/Mitchell moved doesn't really offer much cap savings.

I don't see a market for Varlamov this close to opening night unless some starter has a terrible injury.

Hard to free up cap space in late September.

 

[Foppa2118]

I think the main reason Trouba is getting overrated by so many is because of his age. In a lot of circles, potential > performance; people only see what COULD be. Which is why I'd be leery of trading significant assets for him. We already have a young defenseman with tons of potential who has yet to put it all together (Zadorov), and look what we had to give up to get him. Inter-division trading would only up that price. I get that he's an intriguing package, but he's still not guaranteed to reach that lofty ceiling.

Overrated is only a term thrown out for D men like Trouba based on assumptions they won't get close to their potential.

Team's are more focused on how hard it is to add good D men to their team, let alone good right handed D men, let alone potential stud D men. That's why so many teams jump in line to take a chance on young D men like Trouba, and teams like Winnipeg ask an arm and a leg for them.

 

[henchman21]

Realistically. What can Avs do right now to open $3-4M in cap space?

I don't think Beachemin/Iginla would waive at this point. Söderberg is kinda needed unless Compher levels up real quick.

McLeod/Mitchell moved doesn't really offer much cap savings.

I don't see a market for Varlamov this close to opening night unless some starter has a terrible injury.

Hard to free up cap space in late September.

Depending how many the Avs carry, they have about 1-1.6m in space now. Jettison Mitchell and they are close to 2.8-3.4 right there. With Rakell specifically, he isn't going to be healthy to start the season so LTIR him to start and then buy time to ship off the more useless between Gelinas and Wier.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Depending how many the Avs carry, they have about 1-1.6m in space now. Jettison Mitchell and they are close to 2.8-3.4 right there. With Rakell specifically, he isn't going to be healthy to start the season so LTIR him to start and then buy time to ship off the more useless between Gelinas and Wier.

The thing with moving small contracts like Mitchell is that you aren't exactly moving ALL of his contract since he has to be replaced by someone. Even if Mitchell is replaced by someone with a very low hit like Compher that's still only 900k in savings.

There's no chance the Avs go with a less than 23 man roster. So every time you take Mitchell's 1.8 Million off the books in a hypothetical trade you have to add somebody else's 800k-1.2m back in which makes the savings next to nothing.

FTR Henchy the purpose of this is to post in general and not just directed at you. I see in your numbers you widened your cap to account for some extra space being swapped back in. I just always see people say if Mitchell is traded we'll save 1.8 million in cap space but that's just not the case.

 

[henchman21]

The thing with moving small contracts like Mitchell is that you aren't exactly moving ALL of his contract since he has to be replaced by someone. Even if Mitchell is replaced by someone with a very low hit like Compher that's still only 900k in savings.

There's no chance the Avs go with a less than 23 man roster. So every time you take Mitchell's 1.8 Million off the books in a hypothetical trade you have to add somebody else's 800k-1.2m back in which makes the savings next to nothing.

FTR Henchy the purpose of this is to post in general and not just directed at you. I see in your numbers you widened your cap to account for some extra space being swapped back in. I just always see people say if Mitchell is traded we'll save 1.8 million in cap space but that's just not the case.

I was talking about a swap of Mitchell to Rakell... Mitchell's $1.8 leaves, combined with the $1-1.6 in space now gets close to the $4m for Rakell and Rakell will be on LTIR to start. Meaning it can work to get a player like that... not that it opens up that much space to just have it.

I wouldn't say there is no chance of less than 23. If the Avs had to run a 21 man roster to fit in say a Kucherov, I'm sure they would.

 

[AvsGuy]

Realistically. What can Avs do right now to open $3-4M in cap space?

I don't think Beachemin/Iginla would waive at this point. Söderberg is kinda needed unless Compher levels up real quick.

McLeod/Mitchell moved doesn't really offer much cap savings.

I don't see a market for Varlamov this close to opening night unless some starter has a terrible injury.

Hard to free up cap space in late September.

cough Blake Comeau $2.4 million cough

 

[dahrougem2]

cough Blake Comeau $2.4 million cough

I don't mind Comeau if he's used within his limitations. I prefer him to Mitchell, too.

 

[returnofthemack29]

Hampus Lindholm

for

Bigras
2017 1st
Tyson Jost
Grigorenko

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Replace Mitchell and Comeau with Compher and Bourque (800k). That would leave us with just over 4mil.

 

[dahrougem2]

Hampus Lindholm

for

Bigras
2017 1st
Tyson Jost
Grigorenko

That is an awful lot to give up, even if Lindholm is great. We made the O'Reilly trade to fix our organizational depth issues, moving out 4 key young pieces for 1 kind of puts us back in the same position.

 

[returnofthemack29]

But how often do you have the ability to get a young #1 defenseman? It's going to cost a lot, but you can build around Lindholm and we'd still have key pieces like Zadorov, Meloche, Compher, Greer, and Morrison so we'd still have some guys left and we can fill it out with the draft and FA over the next couple years.

 

[Freudian]

I don't think Lindholm is a #1. At least not yet.

I wouldn't make that trade. Chances are Lindholm will be a solid #2 in the league.

 

[Avs44]

I wouldn't gut the team that much. You're losing a young top nine player, probably the teams best defensive prospect, a first round pick, and the teams top 10 pick from last year. Lindholm would be great, but not at that cost.

 

[Pokecheque]

Way too costly a trade.

 

[Avs_19]

I love Lindholm but I don't think we're in a position to give up three key futures for one player, even one as good as him.

I'd also trade Zadorov before Bigras.