Avs44
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Speculation: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Related Topics 2016-17 Part XVII
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henchman21
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I have my doubts... he will still be a good player, but just not a front line center.
Pacman33
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I dont think i can ever move mack. He has as much physical talent as any player in the league. Sure he will never have high end iq but it doesnt mean he wont get smarter as he ages. If we can get a real coach that knows how to utilize him properly i.e put him in the ovi spot on our pp, then he can still become a franchise player. Im all for moving dutchy and skog but moving mack would set this franchise back big time
This team needs a young, number 1 defenseman to move forward. Landeskog and Duchene may only be able to get us a package deal or a defenseman like Murray with some adds. Moving Mack would actually land that Provorov, Ekblad, Hanifin-esque defender that this team needs. Then you have the potential of landing Patrick at the draft with Jost here and you have a potentially solid 1-2 punch down the middle without Mack or Duchene. Losing Mack would sting, but to say it would set this franchise back when it would be a #1 d-man coming back is a bit dramatic.
tigervixxxen
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dahrougem2
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UncleRisto
Not Great, Bob!
AvsGuy
Hired the wrong DJ again
My EA NHL 17 line of Grigorenko-Soderberg-Rantanen just tears it up on offense, its too bad Grigorenko doesn't care as much in real life
Cousin Eddie
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Avs probably are hopeful he goes to Russia. Keep his rights, let him light it up and then trade his rights next year with a little inflation to his value.
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
I would imagine it's his Canadian wife and their two kids is why he's not in a hurry to get back to Russia.
dahrougem2
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I don't think the Avs actually operate that way lol. More like let him go to Russia then bring him back on a 3 year contract with a partial NMC
Pacman33
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We still wouldnt get provorov for mack. No way id do mack for hanifin or ekblad. Hanifin is still too unproven. Yes he has played better of late but still is mostly potential. No way i move him for ekblad either with his concussion issues. Theres just not many plausible guys that have value of mack
Bender
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I disagree. While having a young, number #1 d-man would certainly help this team, it's not the end-all, be-all that a lot of people seem to think it is.
Look at OEL...what have the Coyotes done since he's made the team and become that teams' cornerstone d-man?? A whole lot of nothing and he had some pretty good help on D a lot of those years as well. Just look at Doughty this year with the Kings. Surely a #1 D-Man that's rated in pretty much everyone's top-5 should be able to drag that team to the playoffs??
Acquiring a Provorov, Ekblad or Hanifin level d-man would not solve anything for the Avs. These guys would come over here and HELP for sure...but on this team they would look much worse and it's not like they would turn us into a contender right away.
It's a team sport and it really doesn't matter how great your #1 D-Man is, if the rest of the core aren't playing well enough, you just can't win.
And I don't know what games you are watching but MacKinnon at age 21 has the ability to take over a game on his own and you DO NOT trade that away for Provorov, Ekblad or Hanifin....not even close. It's odd to me, that fans can view MacKinnon as some sort of finished product...he's still continually getting better. He's put up 51 points on this team...this year!!!!
Take a team with just average goal production [15th - Montreal - 217 Goals For] and put MacKinnon on THAT team instead of our team with our pathetic 153 Goals For. (64 goals difference and that's with the 15th best offense in the league!!!)
Let's say we suggest that Mack had 20 more points than he does right now, he'd be at 71 points and he'd be considered a frikkin' superstar! It's important to put things in perspective and context.
Freudian
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Grigorenko would have to be given a qualifying offer of $1.3M for Avs to retain his rights. I'd rather let him be a UFA that risk him actually signing it, but I just can't stand players like him.
He coulda had class. He coulda been a contender. He coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what he is, let's face it.
He coulda had class. He coulda been a contender. He coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what he is, let's face it.
henchman21
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If the Avs want to win a cup, they will need a legit #1D. Can't win expect to win one without a #1D. There are at least 3, maybe 4 musts to win a cup. A #1C, #1D, and average to maybe slight above average starting goalie... the 4th would be a top 6 center with size if the #1C is on a the smaller side.
Overall theme of your post, yeah don't trade MacK. He is the #1C in that equation.
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
UncleRisto
Not Great, Bob!
dahrougem2
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Pretty much.
2016: Letang
2015: Keith
2014: Doughty
2013: Keith
2012: Doughty
2011: Chara
2010: Keith
2009: Gonchar
2008: Lidstrom
2007: Niedermayer/Pronger (what a luxury)
2006: No real #1
2004: Boyle
2003: Stevens/Niedermayer
2002: Lidstrom
2001: Bourque/Blake
2000: Stevens/Niedermayer
Really, only 2006 is where there was no real #1 defensemen as the Hurricanes defence did it by committee. So yes, while a team has done it in the past, I don't exactly want to go that route. That Hurricanes team was also absolutely STACKED up front and received phenomenal goaltending from Cam Ward.
If we ever want to compete for a cup, we're going to need that #1 defensemen.
Nalens Oga
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I would love to trade MacKinnon for a good return but if that THN article is an indication, the snowball has started and you know what's gonna happen is that they won't trade him and if they do then it'll be too late like it is with Duchene atm. They'll just end up alienating another player so either trade him or come out and say he's not on the trade list and quash any rumours or speculation. Sakic's man management suggests he likely won't figure that out.
I agree it is a team sport, and no, we are not one d-man away from hoisting the cup. Mackinnon has the ability to take over a game, but at the end of the day, he can't move the puck from the backend. This team does not have a player that can make an outlet pass to save their life.
My point is this:
Is there a top defenseman in this draft that we are going to get with the #1-4 pick? No. Is there a potential front line center that we could end up with? Yes. I don't think that Patrick is as gifted as Mack, but I think that he can be a good responsible two way center that can distribute the puck. We also have Jost, Duchene, and Compher. If Mack gets dealt to bring in a top line defender, which he could easily do, then the team would still have good center depth and a top defenseman. I would prefer to hold onto Mack over the other pieces we could move, but the reality is that Duchene and Landeskog will not net us more than a package with a potential top-4 d-man in it, ie ROR deal.
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
It can't all be solved this summer. We basically have to start over with what we have. For sure the defense issue needs to be addressed but we can't force it just to say we did it.
Pacman33
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It will take awhile to rebuild but im starting to have hope. Another reason i wouldnt move mack by the way, coming into the year our big 3 were supposed to be dutch, landy and mack and mack is only one who has given a damn. Some people gave him grief earlier in year for yelling at teammates but at least he cares enough to do so. Compher and jost are going to be good players to build around as well as mack and rants. Its amazing how different the team looks when we get youth and energy into the lineup. I think next year will be a wash but the year after is when were in much better shape. Comoeu and beauch contracts will be up. Another crappy year of soda then we can buy him out if need be. Jost and compher will have a full season under their belt. Zads will be more experienced and hopefully our #1 pick this year will be going strong. Alot of bright spots to look forward to. Almost forgot, bednar and sakic may be gone as well. Light at the end of the tunnel ladies and gents
henchman21
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that. Given the right opportunity, it should be addressed ASAP. It should have been addressed years ago, but they keep passing the buck year after year. At somepoint that has to stop. If not this summer, it needs to be next summer... otherwise it will be another full-on reset.
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