Proposal: Avs-Preds Blockbuster

[McJedi]

I can find plenty more.

We get it. Byram has insane potential. The Avs have him cost controlled for number of season yet.

You have to give to get. Colorado is not adding any talent like forsberg or ekholm without giving up something that stings, but that's the price to pay if you think it will win you a cup right now.

If not, then fine. We'll find other suitors

you’ve got two valuable rentals in those two. I’m sure you’ll find teams that will offer a competitive format from which to trade each and realize a market return. *If they are not getting resigned.

Byram will play a top 4 role this year. He’s already important. The Avs already have sufficient talent to win it all. There isn’t a better roster in the NHL. If the Avs are adding, would be something like a Kessel to the middle six and PP. they don’t need an Ekholm. He doesn’t make them better minus Byram. He doesn’t move the needle when you back out Byram. Not this season and certainly not the next several after it.

the idea an Ekholm would fetch a Byram is absolute poppycock. There is a price to pay for Ekholm. It will sting. It ain’t even close to as high as trading away a just turned 20 Bowen Byram. An expiring Forsberg doesn’t get you close either if that is your one for one. Nashville is hampered by the pending UFA status of each.

Nashville should resign Forsberg.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Ellis returned Glass + Myers. Neither are remotely close to Byram or Newhook current value. Newhook's value may go down if he's having troubles keeping a spot in the top 9, but both the coaching + management have high expectations for him this year.

You're looking at players like Helleson, Barron, Jost, Olaufsson. There are probably better prospects you'll like that are similar caliber to them, but neither are close to being worth Byram. Also, Buchnevich went for a 2nd + who is a comparable talent to Forsberg/Ekholm.

Not sure what Ellis has to do with anything. Ekholm is significantly better than Ellis. But Ekholm is (for other teams anyway) likely a rental. But Ellis has a boat anchor long-term contract. Ellis is just a non sequitur, regardless.

If in 4 or 5 months we haven't signed Ekholm, I think a late 1st+prospect is what we'll ask for. Nobody would be talking about Byram here at all if the OP hadn't mentioned him. He's not on any radar in such a deal. If those 4 or 5 months pass and you guys want Ekholm, we still won't be talking about Byram. 1st+Olausson would be nicely competitive with some of the other threads that have been on here, like 1st+Amirov, etc. That's the scenario that would be on the table. But I think there is less than a 10% chance it ever comes to that, since Ekholm will almost certainly be re-signed before that.

 

[dahrougem2]

Filip Forsberg and Mattias Ekholm are both pending UFA's. Will they potentially return 1st round picks at the deadline? Probably.

Will they return a Bowen Byram-level prospect? 100% no. It just isn't going to happen. I understand there are other parts to this deal, but the fact is the Avs would likely be treating one or both of Forsberg/Ekholm as rentals, and that is not even remotely worth Bowen Byram cost controlled for the next several years.

Let alone throwing in our 2nd best prospect in Alex Newhook who is also NHL ready.

This deal doesn't make any sense for the Avs. If they were ever going to trade Byram, it'd be for a player of similar or slightly lesser caliber that fills a dire need both now and for the next few years at a team friendly contract rate. Not for pending UFA's.

 

[triggrman]

Ellis returned Glass + Myers. Neither are remotely close to Byram or Newhook current value. Newhook's value may go down if he's having troubles keeping a spot in the top 9, but both the coaching + management have high expectations for him this year.

You're looking at players like Helleson, Barron, Jost, Olaufsson. There are probably better prospects you'll like that are similar caliber to them, but neither are close to being worth Byram. Also, Buchnevich went for a 2nd + who is a comparable talent to Forsberg/Ekholm.

Ellis seemed to be trending down, struggling with injuries and is on a long expensive contract.

 

[Richard88]

Avs can take on Forsberg's contract at the deadline even without offloading Johnson, so there's no reason to make this a blockbuster.

Also Colorado have a lot of really good LHD's so Ekholm isn't really a need, though he'd be a fine luxury to have.

Forsberg makes a lot of sense for Colorado as a rental though.

 

[PAZ]

Ellis seemed to be trending down, struggling with injuries and is on a long expensive contract.

To be fair most of Nashville’s players have been trending down, but fair point.

However, I imagine both Ekholm and Forsberg will be on equal long, expensive contracts as well.

 

[McJedi]

Avs can take on Forsberg's contract at the deadline even without offloading Johnson, so there's no reason to make this a blockbuster.

Also Colorado have a lot of really good LHD's so Ekholm isn't really a need, though he'd be a fine luxury to have.

Forsberg makes a lot of sense for Colorado as a rental though.

Avs don’t have the assets to compete for a rental on either of these guys. They’ll get higher 1sts elsewhere. Avs did their biggest trade already adding Kuemper at $3.5mm AAV.

 

[Richard88]

Avs don’t have the assets to compete for a rental on either of these guys. They’ll get higher 1sts elsewhere. Avs did their biggest trade already adding Kuemper at $3.5mm AAV.

I wouldn't be so sure that we don't have the assets.

First of all rentals don't get the prices they used to, largely due to the value of ELC's these days.

Secondly, having a higher pick doesn't guarantee that you win the trade. For example, Edmonton had a higher 1st than Colorado and yet Sakic won the race for Kuemper simply because Arizona wanted Timmins. There's no knowing which prospect(s) David Poile likes, and for all we know he could have a interest in someone like Helleson, Kaut, Ranta, Barron, etc, enough to take a 2023 1st instead of a 2022 1st.

 

[Linds]

I can find plenty more.

We get it. Byram has insane potential. The Avs have him cost controlled for number of season yet.

You have to give to get. Colorado is not adding any talent like forsberg or ekholm without giving up something that stings, but that's the price to pay if you think it will win you a cup right now.

If not, then fine. We'll find other suitors

Easy, at the trade deadline they will get a mif to late first round pick and a B prospect

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Ellis returned Glass + Myers. Neither are remotely close to Byram or Newhook current value. Newhook's value may go down if he's having troubles keeping a spot in the top 9, but both the coaching + management have high expectations for him this year.

You're looking at players like Helleson, Barron, Jost, Olaufsson. There are probably better prospects you'll like that are similar caliber to them, but neither are close to being worth Byram. Also, Buchnevich went for a 2nd + who is a comparable talent to Forsberg/Ekholm.

Buchnevich has had one season where he's been above 0.7 PPG. Forsberg has been 0.7 PPG or higher for 7 consecutive seasons, with one season at 0.96 PPG, not to mention having a couple of 30+ goal seasons to boot. There's a significant difference in value there. Based on the Buch trade, Forsberg should easily get a 1st round pick + and would have interest from at least a few teams at that price.

But, I definitely agree that Byram/Newhook aren't going to be involved from the Avs side of things.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

They just don't have a lot of current contract left. And the Avs will not be able to afford to keep either of them, nor do Forsberg/Ekholm guarantee the Avs a Cup, so what's the point? The smart move is to keep the two youngsters with 2 ELC years left and see what they can do, not trade them for a couple of pending UFAs.

Im not saying Colorado should make this trade but nobody will guarantee a cup but taking this trade you are a lot closer than you are now and to be honest the avs would be the cup favorite making this trade. Ekholm would most definitely be a top pair with makar. That’s a match made in heaven. Forsberg would be insane with mackinnon but would fit anywhere in your top 6 and kunin could also play in the top 6. Just sayin this avs team would be a cup favorite

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Im not saying Colorado should make this trade but nobody will guarantee a cup but taking this trade you are a lot closer than you are now and to be honest the avs would be the cup favorite making this trade. Ekholm would most definitely be a top pair with makar. That’s a match made in heaven. Forsberg would be insane with mackinnon but would fit anywhere in your top 6 and kunin could also play in the top 6. Just sayin this avs team would be a cup favorite

According to pretty much every sports book, the Avs already are the favorites to win the Cup. How does this trade give us a better chance, when we've already got the best chance at winning? It's still less than a 10% chance of actually winning in a given year, even as the favorites, so what's the point in trying to maximize it for a single season? It's almost always a waste of assets, and simply not worth trying to be the exception.