Proposal: Avs-Preds Blockbuster

[Armourboy]

I get that you built this deal to try to logically get those bluechips to Preds, and you stand by it.
But I do not agree that Forsberg or Ekholm are unlike any rentals that have gone before. And hand-waving assumptions that they will re-sign have little weight.
I stand by the point that paying a Newhook or Byrum for a rental has no precedent in NHL that I can recall.

Anyway Colorado ain't doing it. ELC contract contributors are how teams afford a MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Makar, etc, roster in Salary Cap league.

In the world where there is a hardcore bidding war I could see Forsberg pulling one, especially at 50% retained.

Oddly enough Ekholm is the one I wouldn't want to lose. So many people around here don't know just how good he is. They see an age and look at point totals. Frankly I'd rather lose Josi than Ekholm simply because the guy can literally play well with anyone it seems. He carried our defensive core so much last season. He's also been durable as all get out.

 

[flying v 604]

Byram + Newhook for Forsberg retained 50% + Ekholm is a hard no and far below other documented offers?

Gonna call bullshit on that LOL. That's a stupid overpay for the Avs and not really even worth discussing.

As much as fans want it to be, neither is a lock to become anything of considerable value.
The way you guys talk about Byram is Timmons all over again and Newhouse is far more likely to be Jost than a legit star.
The point of hockey is to win, prospects are currency to facilitate that.
What good is Byram when even if he does pan out he won't be at his best for 3+ years? Vets win cups, not 19 year-old hopefuls.

 

[kthx]

As much as fans want it to be, neither is a lock to become anything of considerable value.
The way you guys talk about Byram is Timmons all over again and Newhouse is far more likely to be Jost than a legit star.
The point of hockey is to win, prospects are currency to facilitate that.
What good is Byram when even if he does pan out he won't be at his best for 3+ years? Vets win cups, not 19 year-old hopefuls.

Exactly my thoughts, but I was a bit mean when I said that, sorry Avs fans did not mean to be that rude.

But I dont think Byram for example is on the same level as Ekholm, as some people have said in this thread.
This trade would make Avalanche almost uncontested champion as long as Kuemper stays healthy, using 2 prospects for that isn't that bad.

 

[NotNotALeafsFan]

Exactly my thoughts, but I was a bit mean when I said that, sorry Avs fans did not mean to be that rude.

But I dont think Byram for example is on the same level as Ekholm, as some people have said in this thread.
This trade would make Avalanche almost uncontested champion as long as Kuemper stays healthy, using 2 prospects for that isn't that bad.

You’re severely under rating the prospects here…

 

[a mangy Meowth]

As much as fans want it to be, neither is a lock to become anything of considerable value.
The way you guys talk about Byram is Timmons all over again and Newhouse is far more likely to be Jost than a legit star.
The point of hockey is to win, prospects are currency to facilitate that.
What good is Byram when even if he does pan out he won't be at his best for 3+ years? Vets win cups, not 19 year-old hopefuls.

Frankly I don't give a shit what you consider their value to be. Considering you called him Newhouse you likely have about zero relevant knowledge on this topic and should just show yourself out before further embarrassment.

 

[McJedi]

Exactly my thoughts, but I was a bit mean when I said that, sorry Avs fans did not mean to be that rude.

But I dont think Byram for example is on the same level as Ekholm, as some people have said in this thread.
This trade would make Avalanche almost uncontested champion as long as Kuemper stays healthy, using 2 prospects for that isn't that bad.

Byram is probably already better than Ekholm. That swap makes the Avs worse in their D core on day one as well as day 500 and 1,000 from today. Hard Fing pass.

And Newhouse is untouchable. He’s our best tackler since Joe Montana.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Exactly my thoughts, but I was a bit mean when I said that, sorry Avs fans did not mean to be that rude.

But I dont think Byram for example is on the same level as Ekholm, as some people have said in this thread.
This trade would make Avalanche almost uncontested champion as long as Kuemper stays healthy, using 2 prospects for that isn't that bad.

The Avs were the highest scoring team in the NHL last year and had the 3rd best defense to go with it, and they won the President's trophy. And, despite that, they lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs, because having the best team on paper doesn't mean anything. Because of this, all of these trades that pretend that having the best team on paper somehow guarantees success and therefore justifies trading two potentially elite long term pieces on ELCs for short term rentals are laughably bad. With how difficult it is to actually win the Cup, having high talent youngsters who can provide affordable production is the key to success.

And, with the Avs still being a very young team, there's simply no reason to give up our best chance at multiple Cups over the next decade for a slightly better chance next season.

 

[Armourboy]

Byram is probably already better than Ekholm. That swap makes the Avs worse in their D core on day one as well as day 500 and 1,000 from today. Hard Fing pass.

And Newhouse is untouchable. He’s our best tackler since Joe Montana.

Unless Byram is on a 1D level already, no he isn't. Yall seriously under value Ekholm because he doesn't put up flashy point totals. He had the best season of his career last year imo and did so playing with everyone under the sun it felt like.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Byram is probably already better than Ekholm. That swap makes the Avs worse in their D core on day one as well as day 500 and 1,000 from today. Hard Fing pass.

And Newhouse is untouchable. He’s our best tackler since Joe Montana.

Whups. You couldn't possibly have meant that.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Take out Newhook and add a 1st.

 

[beardawg]

Byram is probably already better than Ekholm. That swap makes the Avs worse in their D core on day one as well as day 500 and 1,000 from today. Hard Fing pass.

And Newhouse is untouchable. He’s our best tackler since Joe Montana.

You're delusional

 

[beardawg]

Erik Johnson is actually a good player id he is healthy so I don't want to treat him as a cap dump at this point. No to trading Byram, who is NHL ready. Byram + EJ is better than Ekholm by himself in 2021.

Newhook for Forsberg extended is what I would consider.

That's fair without an extension. If he's extended, COL adds a 1st

 

[McJedi]

You're delusional

I’m not. Byram will be better than Ekholm within a year. He’s vastly more talented a player. Byram will be getting looks for team Canada. You don’t get to acquire a 20 year old trending top pair likely for a solid #3 type heading into his UFA. That’s a joke.

 

[beardawg]

I’m not. Byram will be better than Ekholm within a year. He’s vastly more talented a player. Byram will be getting looks for team Canada. You don’t get to acquire a 20 year old trending top pair likely for a solid #3 type heading into his UFA. That’s a joke.

I didn't comment my thoughts on the trade. I was stating that saying an unproven talent is better than a top 5 defensive defenseman is delusional

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I’m not. Byram will be better than Ekholm within a year. He’s vastly more talented a player. Byram will be getting looks for team Canada. You don’t get to acquire a 20 year old trending top pair likely for a solid #3 type heading into his UFA. That’s a joke.

Wow. That is... some very heavy wishful thinking coupled with an awful lot of ignorance about a player on another team. But kudos to you for having the courage to voice such an extreme opinion?

 

[McJedi]

Wow. That is... some very heavy wishful thinking coupled with an awful lot of ignorance about a player on another team. But kudos to you for having the courage to voice such an extreme opinion?

Given the Preds traded away Girard+ to the Avs for Turris, your team don’t have a great sense of value. But thanks for gifting the Avs a guy you’d be playing in your top pair for some buyout scrub.

ekholm is better than Turris but he’s just a solid D man that plays top 4 on most teams, but with limited chops and abilities outside his zone. He’d be a number 4 on the Avs behind Makar, Girard and Toews. Not at all necessary with EJ and Ryan Murray as the bottom pair.

And he’ll be expecting a raise very soon. Ekholm holds little appeal to the Avs.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Given the Preds traded away Girard+ to the Avs for Turris, your team don’t have a great sense of value. But thanks for gifting the Avs a guy you’d be playing in your top pair for some buyout scrub.

ekholm is better than Turris but he’s just a solid D man that plays top 4 on most teams, but with limited chops and abilities outside his zone. He’d be a number 4 on the Avs behind Makar, Girard and Toews. Not at all necessary with EJ and Ryan Murray as the bottom pair.

And he’ll be expecting a raise very soon. Ekholm holds little appeal to the Avs.

Hey man, keep digging your hole. Lol.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I didn't comment my thoughts on the trade. I was stating that saying an unproven talent is better than a top 5 defensive defenseman is delusional

It is not unrealistic for Byram to be better than Ekholm in a short amount of time. Makar became better than Tyson Barrie the minute he stepped onto the ice.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Given the Preds traded away Girard+ to the Avs for Turris, your team don’t have a great sense of value. But thanks for gifting the Avs a guy you’d be playing in your top pair for some buyout scrub.

ekholm is better than Turris but he’s just a solid D man that plays top 4 on most teams, but with limited chops and abilities outside his zone. He’d be a number 4 on the Avs behind Makar, Girard and Toews. Not at all necessary with EJ and Ryan Murray as the bottom pair.

And he’ll be expecting a raise very soon. Ekholm holds little appeal to the Avs.

Uhhhh…I’m an Avs fan and I’d love to have Ekholm, he’d immediately free up Makar to just do his thing without worrying about his partner. I think you are massively underrating Ekholm. I’d love it if Byram managed to hit Ekholm level of defense.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Uhhhh…I’m an Avs fan and I’d love to have Ekholm, he’d immediately free up Makar to just do his thing without worrying about his partner. I think you are massively underrating Ekholm. I’d love it if Byram managed to hit Ekholm level of defense.

I'd be happy if Byram hits that level of defense but disappointed if that is all he is. Byram is projected to be better.

 

[Newusername]

Hey man, keep digging your hole. Lol.

He’s a ufa, would you trade a top prospect for a ufa? No you wouldn’t. So get off your high horse. Nashville fans come in here ask for our best prospects for ufa’s then get all butt hurt we don’t want it lol

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I'd be happy if Byram hits that level of defense but disappointed if that is all he is. Byram is projected to be better.

He has the raw skills to be better, but it insinuate that he is already better, or that he will be shortly is an overshoot. Ekholm is a fantastic dman.

 

[Newusername]

He has the raw skills to be better, but it insinuate that he is already better, or that he will be shortly is an overshoot. Ekholm is a fantastic dman.

no one is saying he isnt. But hes a UFA, he is 31 years old and we are loaded on the left side. How many years do you think ekholm will be better then byram? 1 ? 2? Lets not pretend were talking about Josi here....

 

[GirardSpinorama]

He has the raw skills to be better, but it insinuate that he is already better, or that he will be shortly is an overshoot. Ekholm is a fantastic dman.

Byram has the raw skill and work ethic and hockey IQ to be better. He's a safer prospect than even Makar but maybe without as much upside. Ekholm is a solid dman, not a star dman.

 

[Bonzai12]

We did this trade once. One season of Theo Fleury for Robyn Regehr. That ended well.