Value of: Avs Firesale, truly this time...

[Bender]

This thread...



Ridiculous how some of our fans react after a less-than-stellar performance. They're at .500, no need to pull the plug.

Oh wait...not only are they .500 but they played :

Dallas
@Pittsburgh
@Washington
@Tampa Bay
@Florida
Winnipeg
@Arizona
Nashville

5 of 8 on the road but yeah, let's freak out and sell all of our better players!

SELL SELL SELL!!!

 

[Mr Plow]

I know these threads are silly but I would love Landeskog on the Canucks. The only piece we have that might get the conversation started is Tanev. It would probably make us a worse team in the short term but I love Landeskog's game so much I wouldn't even care.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Poolparty for Landy is a better basis imo.

Given the chemistry that RNH and MacK had..curious what Oil fans would want in return for him. Barrie/Landy (one or the other) with some small plusses to balance value be an interesting conversation?

Ya, I understand why you'd prefer Pulju vs that package, but the kid keeps looking better every game. I know I'll get crucified for saying it, but I wouldn't do Pulju for Landy. I just think Pulju has Hossa type potential. Landy is a helluva player and I'm sure Avs fans would expect a + attached to Pulju, but I think he's an untouchable (as I'm sure many Avs fans view Landy).

As for Nuge, tough to say. He plays a very important role for us right now, taking on a shutdown role while also being our main PKer and 2nd unit PP QB. What if it was a bigger deal involving my proposed package before (Ebs+Jones+1st) plus Nuge for Landy and Barrie?

McD as in McDavid sure. Don't think the Oilers would do it. I don't think Oilers fans would appreciate you proposing trades for their players though.

Bern is a Rangers fan. Pretty sure he meant McDonagh.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Bern is a Rangers fan. Pretty sure he meant McDonagh.

He was being facetious... lol

 

[strictlyrandy]

Ya, I understand why you'd prefer Pulju vs that package, but the kid keeps looking better every game. I know I'll get crucified for saying it, but I wouldn't do Pulju for Landy. I just think Pulju has Hossa type potential. Landy is a helluva player and I'm sure Avs fans would expect a + attached to Pulju, but I think he's an untouchable (as I'm sure many Avs fans view Landy).

As for Nuge, tough to say. He plays a very important role for us right now, taking on a shutdown role while also being our main PKer and 2nd unit PP QB. What if it was a bigger deal involving my proposed package before (Ebs+Jones+1st) plus Nuge for Landy and Barrie?



Bern is a Rangers fan. Pretty sure he meant McDonagh.

I don't know much about Jones...but in the realm of fantasy.. Ebs, First, and Nuge for Landy and Barrie isn't a god awful basis to me.

As was mentioned my comment about McDavid was facetious. Bern has a bad habit of doing these weird mental gymnastics to justify trades that somehow work out best for the Rangers (weird, I know), and they're tiresome. As is the premise of this thread.

However, a healthy discussion around RNH and Landy is worthwhile I would think.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Why does one of these pop up every time we lose a game? We're .500. Settle down.

Its only because the team seems to have the same issues it's had for the past few years. Even when we win we look bad.

As for MacKinnon I have almost no hope at this point for him turning into an elite player in this league. I just don't see it. One of the most skilled 50-60 point players I've ever seen. I would not be against moving him if the team does intend to rebuild the rebuild.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Cuts down player yet still wants the world for him. Only on HF.

 

[bernmeister]

McD as in McDavid sure. Don't think the Oilers would do it. I don't think Oilers fans would appreciate you proposing trades for their players though.

Ya, I understand why you'd prefer Pulju vs that package, but the kid keeps looking better every game. I know I'll get crucified for saying it, but I wouldn't do Pulju for Landy. I just think Pulju has Hossa type potential. Landy is a helluva player and I'm sure Avs fans would expect a + attached to Pulju, but I think he's an untouchable (as I'm sure many Avs fans view Landy).

As for Nuge, tough to say. He plays a very important role for us right now, taking on a shutdown role while also being our main PKer and 2nd unit PP QB. What if it was a bigger deal involving my proposed package before (Ebs+Jones+1st) plus Nuge for Landy and Barrie?

Bern is a Rangers fan. Pretty sure he meant McDonagh.

Obviously. thank you. Also there was added language to confirm that context.

He was being facetious... lol

Yeah.
.... sure. sure

 

[Avs44]

strictlyrandly was joking with the McDavid comment. It was fairly obvious sarcasm because bern, nobody is interested in your proposals.

 

[bernmeister]

...
As was mentioned my comment about McDavid was facetious.

Bern has a bad habit of doing these weird mental gymnastics to justify trades that somehow work out best for the Rangers (weird, I know), and they're tiresome. ...

so, I should be spending my time and effort to improve other teams and NOT the Rangers?


because that is what every other poster on this board does?

some deals are no big whoop, and equal value is fine
others are cap dumps
still others are, I have a desired asset, if ya want it, ya have to make it worth my while

facetious my ass...

disingenuous is more like it

 

[bernmeister]

strictlyrandly was joking with the McDavid comment. It was fairly obvious sarcasm because bern, nobody is interested in your proposals.

debateable

and Mc for MacK as a core is a serious discussion, regardless of whether or not both sides agree to it

 

[Tralfamadore]

I'd consider moving MacKinnon for McDavid

 

[McWeber]

Would love Barrie, though I doubt the Avs would want a package based around Davidson/Reinhart+picks/prospects.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Mac + EJ
For
Nylander/Marner+ Gardiner + Kapanen/Brown + 1st(2017) + 2nd

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Would love Barrie, though I doubt the Avs would want a package based around Davidson/Reinhart+picks/prospects.

Your number would get deleted out of Sakic's phone

 

[the_fan]

I'd do MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, EJ, Barrie, Varly for McDavid

Would Oilers do this?

 

[Tralfamadore]

I'd do MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, EJ, Barrie, Varly for McDavid

Would Oilers do this?

I wouldn't as an Oilers fan.

 

[major major]

Are these lines right?

Landeskog - Duchene - Iginla
Grigo - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Bourque - Soderberg - Comeau
Martinsen - Mitchell - Colborne

I'd say from an outsider's perspective that the star players are probably not the problem. It looks like the Avs icing yet another thin forward lineup. Good centers, but about four of the wings are playing a line or two too high. And the D is an entire top pair LHD away from being average.

I always think they'd be so much better if they got a Pouliot or a Hartnell in there. Someone who could pot 40 pts, rather than Bourque and Iginla.

 

[Avs44]

Would love Barrie, though I doubt the Avs would want a package based around Davidson/Reinhart+picks/prospects.

Are these lines right?

Landeskog - Duchene - Iginla
Grigo - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Bourque - Soderberg - Comeau
Martinsen - Mitchell - Colborne

I'd say from an outsider's perspective that the star players are probably not the problem. It looks like the Avs icing yet another thin forward lineup. Good centers, but about four of the wings are playing a line or two too high. And the D is an entire top pair LHD away from being average.

I always think they'd be so much better if they got a Pouliot or a Hartnell in there. Someone who could pot 40 pts, rather than Bourque and Iginla.

Certainly that's a very good point, and something of a debate among fans right now; stay the course and try to fix some pretty ugly depth and bad veterans, or blow it up because the star players can't carry the team?


I think the depth might even be worse than it actually looks there. Soderberg has been bad to start the year, Iginla actively hurts whatever line he is on, and Comeau has been a disaster. The team needs an additional, good top six forward, and probably a really good third liner - and that's assuming Soderberg can turn it around too. If not, a lot of the forward group needs a big overhaul.

 

[strictlyrandy]

debateable

and Mc for MacK as a core is a serious discussion, regardless of whether or not both sides agree to it

I've already said I was joking..because McDonagh for MacKinnon is good for the Rangers and not for the Avs. Figured that was pretty obvious. Then again maybe I expect too much from you sometimes.

It isn't a serious discussion as defense isn't what the Avs need. They need top 6 talent (as has been said multiple times in this very thread). Figured you'd have understood that Bern. Maybe I overestimate your reading comprehension.

 

[Roof Daddy]

I don't know much about Jones...but in the realm of fantasy.. Ebs, First, and Nuge for Landy and Barrie isn't a god awful basis to me.

Jones is Seth's little brother, thus kind of a local kid (grew up there for a number of years). Projects as a well rounded 2nd pair Dman, no wow factor/traits, but does everything well. Has put up some good numbers in the dub playing for Portland.

Not sure what the Avs LHD prospect pool looks like, could substitute him for something else if he doesn't appeal. Or if the Avs prefer a guy that can play now, I'd move Davidson in that deal (currently a solid 4/5, but injured). I just feel Nurse has stepped up enough that he is now expendable (especially if we're getting Barrie).

As for the remainder of the deal, Nuge with MacK looked good for team NA, but wasn't Duchene paired with Hall and Ebs at the World Championships and they clicked quite well? Can't remember if that was this past year or a few years ago.

Might require some tweaks, but definitely the basis for a deal.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Jones is Seth's little brother, thus kind of a local kid (grew up there for a number of years). Projects as a well rounded 2nd pair Dman, no wow factor/traits, but does everything well. Has put up some good numbers in the dub playing for Portland.

Not sure what the Avs LHD prospect pool looks like, could substitute him for something else if he doesn't appeal. Or if the Avs prefer a guy that can play now, I'd move Davidson in that deal (currently a solid 4/5, but injured). I just feel Nurse has stepped up enough that he is now expendable (especially if we're getting Barrie).

As for the remainder of the deal, Nuge with MacK looked good for team NA, but wasn't Duchene paired with Hall and Ebs at the World Championships and they clicked quite well? Can't remember if that was this past year or a few years ago.

Might require some tweaks, but definitely the basis for a deal.

Would RNH, Eberle, Nurse, and the 2017 first be a discussion for Landy, Barrie, and Siemens from the Oilers POV?

 

[Sweetpotato]

Would RNH, Eberle, Nurse, and the 2017 first be a discussion for Landy, Barrie, and Siemens from the Oilers POV?

Personally, too much and we dont want Siemens, more of what we have. Draisaitl+Eberle+Fayne+2017 1st for Landy+Barrie?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Would RNH, Eberle, Nurse, and the 2017 first be a discussion for Landy, Barrie, and Siemens from the Oilers POV?

I think we'd have to add something to that deal, or maybe drop the 1st?

 

[strictlyrandy]

Personally, too much and we dont want Siemens, more of what we have. Draisaitl+Eberle+Fayne+2017 1st for Landy+Barrie?

Fair enough, Siemens SHOULD have had a shot this year, but it was their call, we have lots of bottom pairing guys as well, so Fayne is a meh...but man..that's tempting for me.

I think we'd have to add something to that deal, or maybe drop the 1st?

This is what I was thinking is what it'd be..their 1st isn't exactly the main piece.

RNH, Eberle, and Nurse for Landeskog and Barrie seems reasonable to me.

As an Avs fan, I think I'd be ok with this overall.