Confirmed with Link: Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd

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It happened all the freaking time. He was always rubbed up into the boards and looking to make a pass out. It worked great at first with a bnuch of pluggers. It worked great at the beginning of the year. However, once we got forwards back off the IR that were pushing pace, Mitts became a bit of a catastrohpy.

Make no mistake, I don't wish him ill... but if were to succeed... hell, even if he is to succeed, a new course had to be taken.

After holding onto the puck too long.

I have all the reason in the world to talk shit about Casey, but my personal opinion is that skating wasn't the problem.

You don't always have to be a speedy player to play for Bednar. You just have to be smart and know where to go and what to do with the puck if you're not super fast.

Saad is a perfect example. He wasn't a great skater, but he made the right play, and knew where to go, and didn't hang onto the puck too long. He was a good fit on this team because of it.

I don't know how much faster Drury or Coyle are. ROR might be too slow at this point, but I think he could have made it work in a lot of ways that Casey didn't as well.

Casey might be a tad slower I don't know, but he made up for it by always keeping his feet moving, and hustling. Which brings me back to my point about athleticism and conditioning and trying to do too much.

I know we disagree on this, but that's just how I see it.
 
Mitts was not fitting as a bottom six C after the Nelson trade. You going to war with Mitts? Hell no. Coyle? Hell yes.

We are now built for the coming playoffs and I couldn't care less about the asset management. Coyle and Drury are rock solid C depth under the one-two punch of Mack and Brock!
 
I think the optics would have been a lot better if we had moved Mitts somewhere else as the salary dump he clearly is, then made a separate move for Coyle. But f*** optics.

My feeling is they are spending way too many assets on the hope that they'll win the cup this year. Who exactly are they expecting to be the 2C in two to three years?

That being said, I intend to park my worries for now and enjoy the hell out of this team. This is by far the deepest we have been since our cup run, and we have loaded up on exactly the kind of players you need to win in the playoffs. The roster flexibility we have now is also insane, with a group of top 8 forwards who can pretty much all be mixed and matched, and a defense with a good mix of grit and skill. If our goaltending holds up, I think we can go toe to toe with anyone in the league now.

Honestly though I hope we stay in the second wildcard because the only team that genuinely worries me is Dallas.
 
Wow a lot of thoughts on this move.

I obviously didn't like the Mitts-Byram trade, but that's in the past, and we're here now with Casey not working out, on the verge of hopefully another Cup run. So I'm not gonna factor that into my evaluation here.

My first thought is that I wonder where he plays and I wonder if he provides more offense than Mitts might have? I would have been ok with Mitts at 3C if they went that route.

My next thought though is that Coyle is a better goal scorer than Mitts, which they need. His lower point totals this year are entirely due to a lower assist total, which may have to do with playing with lesser linemantes than before, and perhaps here.

He's still on pace for 20 goals, which would be the best pace in his last nine seasons, and just one off his 2nd career high of 21, with 25 being his highest. Both of which could be within reach with a good finish to the season.

The next thought is obviously that he's much bigger, stronger, and tougher to play agisnt than Mitts. They need this in general, but this type of player is also my preference for 3rd liners, especially 3C's.

My question though is does he play 3C or RW somewhere? Guess that's a good option to have.

I'm not sure he's a better skater than Mitts but he plays a different game than Mitts so he doesn't need it as much. If he wants to hold onto the puck he can win more battles, and he can be that X factor clutch goal scoring sniper, and let someone else carry the puck.

He'll score a lot in the slot and front of the net and be some insurance for Val and Landy with his net front presence, that the team desperately misses when they're both out.

You never know, if Nelson leaves, he could find his game again at 2C, and perhaps as a righty form some chemistry with a playmaker like Drouin. Or perhaps he clicks well with Necas if he plays there.

In the end I wish they would have traded Mitts for a top 4 defenseman, since they didn't really make that kind of move, but I like some of the things Coyle brings to the table, and Mitts just wasn't working, so I'll wait optimistically to see how he plays.
Good analysis. Coyle is a player who I have both despised and envied. Mostly despised with the Wild because I felt he always played well (physical, aggressive - like Foligno) against the Avalanche contributing the occasional key goal at a key point in the game. He impressed me with Boston and was obviously a home town favorite back there.

I think he's gonna surprise people here and actually become a bit of a favorite.

I've never seen him play any way but full speed and all out. I dunno reminds me of Calvert that way. I'd like to see how he meshes with LOC and Kiviranta.
 
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I think the optics would have been a lot better if we had moved Mitts somewhere else as the salary dump he clearly is, then made a separate move for Coyle. But f*** optics.

My feeling is they are spending way too many assets on the hope that they'll win the cup this year. Who exactly are they expecting to be the 2C in two to three years?

That being said, I intend to park my worries for now and enjoy the hell out of this team. This is by far the deepest we have been since our cup run, and we have loaded up on exactly the kind of players you need to win in the playoffs. The roster flexibility we have now is also insane, with a group of top 8 forwards who can pretty much all be mixed and matched, and a defense with a good mix of grit and skill. If our goaltending holds up, I think we can go toe to toe with anyone in the league now.

Honestly though I hope we stay in the second wildcard because the only team that genuinely worries me is Dallas.
Yes...... it's a year of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead going for the Cup. CMac's decided to go for it while a few certain guys are in their prime and worry about tomorrow some other time.
 
Fixing a mistake. What a price to pay. I think people are going to be surprised with Zellers. Guy is going to be a player if he continues to develop. We'll just be deep in the rebuild before he's relevant. I was excited about watching him grow.
 
Cmac was asked about Coyles offense and he didn't look concerned. Coyles job is to shutdown offense from the opponent and let the first two lines score goals it seems.

More than that, he said he’s a load physically and I think he even said “grown man” which is an obvious contrast to Mittelstadt being a soft player.
 
Great trade. Avs get a bigger,better center in the end and we need size to compete in the playoffs. By the time zellers and a second round pick become useful the Avs cup window will be closed. Go all in now and give your superstars a chance to win.
 
More than that, he said he’s a load physically and I think he even said “grown man” which is an obvious contrast to Mittelstadt being a soft player.
I think he just said man, which is equally damning I guess.

Reminds of a scene in Peep Show where Jez (I think) tells Mark "You're the man!" and then you hear Mark's internal dialogue say pridefully "I'm a maaan."
 
I guess it's the overvalue futures thing in me but I just don't understand the draft picks involved here. Surely Mitts-Coyle would have done it?

It may have been a case of the Bruins actually not wanting Mittelstadt at all.

So, they just kind of took him as part of the deal and the Avs gave them a second and a prospect for Coyle.

Coyle was CMac’s 3C target and he paid the price to get him.
 
I think he just said man, which is equally damning I guess.

Reminds of a scene in Peep Show where Jez (I think) tells Mark "You're the man!" and then you hear Mark's internal dialogue say pridefully "I'm a maaan."

Yeah. He just said man and not grown man but given the context, it’s kind of the same thing. I couldn’t remember his exact word choice and didn’t think it was worth editing.

Not familiar with that reference.
 
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Yeah. He just said man and not grown man but given the context, it’s kind of the same thing. I couldn’t remember his exact word choice and didn’t think it was worth editing.

Not familiar with that reference.
Oh I didn't mean to pick nits, I had just watched the presser and that particular part really stuck out to me like "ok well damn" so it was fresh in my head - it's essentially the same thing you said and messages the same way.
 
Agree and if other teams wanted Coyle as well then we had to overpay to get him.

Coyle just doesn't seem like the kind of guy you need to "overpay" to get though. Who knows, we'll see how he does with us. Wonder if he's playing tonight. One thing's for sure though, CMac has been the most active GM this season with roster defining moves and I love it. Get MacK-Frail the best chance to win at all costs. f*** everything else. Suffer for it in 3 years.
 

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