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It’s relative. If it’s a heavier faster game in the playoffs, you have to consider the pps relative to the increased degree of physicality.
Confirmed with Link: Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd
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expatriatedtexan
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I am absolutely sitting back and waiting for those stats... because that does not jive with my memory at all.
Whistles get swallowed en masse in the playoffs. You need to knock a ref down and then jump up and down on his stomach to get that whistle to blow.
That being said... the importance of a PP goes up TREMENDOUSLY as a result.
Yeah slight touches aren't penalties anymore. Regular season game is very soft.
dahrougem2
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I don't believe this is true. If I recall, they go up in the 1st round but dwindle as the playoffs go on.
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Not to mention, think about how many more penalties that are actually occurring. Late hits constantly, lot more picks and physical play.
Even if calls were up or stagnant, it’s not proportional to the amount of actual infractions that are occurring that aren’t getting called.
niwotsblessing
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Especially with Dallas on the ice, dirty bastards every one of them!
Why? Do you prefer the Dallas-Jets-Vegas/Oilers path to the Vegas-Oilers (prove me wrong Kings)-Dallas one?
I have it on good authority this is precisely why the Canucks have never won. It’s all the fault of the refs in the ECF in 2011. Grand conspiracy because not calling a penalty in game 7 favoured the Bruins. Tampa was an auto final wins or something like that
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Naw fam... Vancouver forgot that it was within their power to force reftards to swallow whistles as well.
The thing about the NHL playoffs is that it really is a two way street. You almost have to committ murder for anyone to even raise an eyebrow.
The teams that don't understand that from the moment the puck drops on game one of the first round are the reason why the NHL sees such a huge upset rate in the first round compared to other sports. In the NHL, it really is a completely different game once the post-season begins. Rules, everything... different.
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I actually thought Mitts skating was fine for the Avs. It's his athleticism and perhaps conditioning for the style he wants to play that were the issue IMO.
He couldn't play flat out 100% like he likes to do every shift, and also play a puck protection game that involves winning physical battles, and also be able to calm himself down after skating so hard, to make the precision passes and shots he tries to make all the time. I think that's the root of his turnover problem.
He can't really improve his natural athleticism, and it seems as though he would have worked on his conditioning and strength as much as possible at this point in his career, so IMO the only way for him to improve is to tweak his style.
He needs simply his game, and not hang onto the puck so much trying to win physical battles, pass quicker, and not try to make so many fancy hope plays.
He's refused to do that so far even with things clearly not going well, so the next best hope is that he fits better on a slower team, that can help him win those physical battles, and maybe he can gain some confidence and play better. I wish him luck and hope he does.
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Ya from what I've been able to look up penalties do go above regular season totals for the first 2 round and then drop below regular season totals for the final 2 rounds.
Acquiring Nelson sealed the deal here for Mitts. Perhaps he even said something after he learned about the trade..... like I'm out of here....?
It looks a lot like CMac had to convince Boston to take him?
Coyle has aged but he still playa lunch pail style of game. I don't see him being a LT acquisition.
And folks know that Casey wasn't fitting Bednar's style so he was going to gone eventually, one way or the other.
The fans here are mostly happy about the result. Just not the price paid..
It looks a lot like CMac had to convince Boston to take him?
Coyle has aged but he still playa lunch pail style of game. I don't see him being a LT acquisition.
And folks know that Casey wasn't fitting Bednar's style so he was going to gone eventually, one way or the other.
The fans here are mostly happy about the result. Just not the price paid..
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dahrougem2
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Bruins fans will likely be deceived if Mittelstadt starts putting up points playing with Pastrnak.
Make no mistake about it: this is a horrible hockey player.
All those years with Buffalo means Bruin fans know exactly what there are receiving. And they can't be happy. Mitts is no Bergereon.......
That’s interesting that it’s 2 rounds that are higher
Unfortunately the data misses part of the equation. It’s pretty well impossible to objectively measure if there are more non-calls in the playoffs. If you get a 20% increase in calls but a 40% increase in potential penalties, it’ll still look like the refs aren’t calling anything even though there have been more PPs handed out
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He's not even Charlie Coyle lol
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Thought I heard that last week, probably wrong that’s why I had asked
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I'm sorry but no.. it was not.
He has speed.. if given time to get up to it. He never had acceleration or explosiviness. I'm begininning to believe those are the best two attributes for a C under Bednar's system. If you can't take the puck, pivot and be three steps ahead, you are of no use.
Bednar's system relies so heavily on expolosiveness.
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I never really saw an issue where he got caught skating with the puck, or where he couldn't skate into the open ice in the middle to receive passes, or couldn't make plays off the rush.
What I saw routinely was him skate into the zone with the puck with time and space to make a play, then hold onto the puck, then hold, then hold, and either try to play off the contact and lose the physical battle, or make a low percentage hope pass, and turn it over.
After skating 100% on both the forecheck and backcheck all shift.
That's why I think his natural athleticism and perhaps conditioning, along with his choice of style, are more of an issue than his actual skating. To play Bednar's system specifically.
It will be less of an issue on a slower team where he can coast more often and read the play, if he actually chooses to do so, because he'll have to have to change his approach to the game to do.
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It happened all the freaking time. He was always rubbed up into the boards and looking to make a pass out. It worked great at first with a bnuch of pluggers. It worked great at the beginning of the year. However, once we got forwards back off the IR that were pushing pace, Mitts became a bit of a catastrohpy.
Make no mistake, I don't wish him ill... but if were to succeed... hell, even if he is to succeed, a new course had to be taken.
