Confirmed with Link: Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd

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Oh I didn't mean to pick nits, I had just watched the presser and that particular part really stuck out to me like "ok well damn" so it was fresh in my head - it's essentially the same thing you said and messages the same way.

It’s ok. No harm done. Did MacFarland win you over with his explanation on the trade?

He did with me. I wasn’t thrilled with it initially but hearing him describe the physicality aspect of his game, I kind agreed that Mittelstadt is useless in the bottom 6 for the playoffs. Coyle is better at scoring ugly goals than Mittelstadt. As long as he doesn’t have to play in the top 6, his lack of speed won’t be a problem hopefully.
 
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It’s ok. No harm done. Did MacFarland win you over with his explanation on the trade?

He did with me. I wasn’t thrilled with it initially but hearing him describe the physicality aspect of his game, I kind agreed that Mittelstadt is useless in the bottom 6 for the playoffs. Coyle is better at scoring ugly goals than Mittelstadt. As long as he doesn’t have to play in the top 6, his lack of speed won’t be a problem hopefully.
Actually, he's a fine skater, though nothing exceptional, and should be able to fit right in on the 3rd line:

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Actually, he's a fine skater, though nothing exceptional, and should be able to fit right in on the 3rd line:

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Wouldn’t have guessed. Interesting. He doesn’t jump off the scene when I watch him. Maybe I just never see him in transition and instead, he seems like he has a grinding style that works the cycle. Maybe that style obscures his skating when I watch.

I do respect the speed burst analysis. That’s where speed really exists in hockey. Small windows of instant acceleration. It’s kind of like how the NFL goes by the 40 and not 100 meters.
 
Wouldn’t have guessed. Interesting. He doesn’t jump off the scene when I watch him. Maybe I just never see him in transition and instead, he seems like he has a grinding style that works the cycle. Maybe that style obscures his skating when I watch.

I do respect the speed burst analysis. That’s where speed really exists in hockey. Small windows of instant acceleration. It’s kind of like how the NFL goes by the 40 and not 100 meters.
It's like they made that website specifically for our team lol
 
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It’s ok. No harm done. Did MacFarland win you over with his explanation on the trade?

He did with me. I wasn’t thrilled with it initially but hearing him describe the physicality aspect of his game, I kind agreed that Mittelstadt is useless in the bottom 6 for the playoffs. Coyle is better at scoring ugly goals than Mittelstadt. As long as he doesn’t have to play in the top 6, his lack of speed won’t be a problem hopefully.
Yeah I think it was obvious the Avs preferred a sturdier more challenging-to-deal-with-for-opponents center, and I am sure a lot of people's first thought once we got Nelson was would Mittelstadt possibly be any good as a 3C. I wouldn't have been thrilled with it -- you certainly can have a crafty playmaking guy as 3C but usually you want energy and jam and that ain't Casey. If Casey had been playing well, who knows what moves would have been made, but it sure feels like after spending so much to get Brock they weren't going to risk just throwing Mittelstadt out there at 3C with no more second chances once the deadline passed.

Coyle is a big ornery asshole, he will 100% get ugly goals and be annoying to play against. I put him in the same general category as Corey Perry.
 
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Yeah I think it was obvious the Avs preferred a sturdier more challenging-to-deal-with-for-opponents center, and I am sure a lot of people's first thought once we got Nelson was would Mittelstadt possibly be any good as a 3C. I wouldn't have been thrilled with it -- you certainly can have a crafty playmaking guy as 3C but usually you want energy and jam and that ain't Casey. If Casey had been playing well, who knows what moves would have been made, but it sure feels like after spending so much to get Brock they weren't going to risk just throwing Mittelstadt out there at 3C with no more second chances once the deadline passed.

Coyle is a big ornery asshole, he will 100% get ugly goals and be annoying to play against. I put him in the same general category as Corey Perry.

I thought they might keep Casey as a hedge in case they don’t re-sign Brock Walleye.
 
Makes you wonder had Mittlestadt's value hadn't tanked so badly if we could've added Carlo or Marchand to the deal. I'm sure Cmac was trying his hardest but he was the one who had to convince them to take Mittlestadt.

Seriously the most mysterious downfall of a player. Maybe he's just one of those who thrives on awful teams (Buffalo) like Skinner. Frustrating player and outcome in one year's time.
 
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Makes you wonder had Mittlestadt's value hadn't tanked so badly if we could've added Carlo or Marchand to the deal. I'm sure Cmac was trying his hardest but he was the one who had to convince them to take Mittlestadt.

Seriously the most mysterious downfall of a player. Maybe he's just one of those who thrives on awful teams (Buffalo) like Skinner. Frustrating player and outcome in one year's time.

I was hoping his time here leading up to and into the playoffs would show him that he needed to take a next step in his conditioning. It didn't, apparently he was running on the adrenaline of going to a playoff team.

Mitts can fix himself, will he have the work ethic to do so? Who knows..

A different style of team and system should help.
 
My initial reaction to the Coyle trade was that it was insanely high of a price. Like, where's the secondary asset coming back to Colorado?!

But the more I think about it the more I think this trade needs to be looked at relative to another trade at the TDL, namely Bjorkstrand.

Gourde (75%) + Bjorkstrand for two 1sts and a 2nd basically breaks down to a 1st for rental Gourde and 1st + 2nd for Bjorkstrand.

Bjorkstrand has roughly the same caphit as Coyle, and also a year extra term, like Coyle. They're both similar hard working middle 6 forwards, but Coyle plays the premium center position.

So if the price for Bjorkstrand was 1st + 2nd, why would Coyle go for less given their similar pedigree and contracts? In fact his price was arguably higher given that he's a center with more playoff experience.

In that light, it's probably fair to say that the price of Mittelstadt + 2nd + Zellers is roughly equivalent to the Bjorkstrand trade (1st + 2nd), albeit with the addition of Zellers since Coyle is a center and thus slightly more valuable than Bjorkstrand positionally. So using the Bjorkstrand trade as a benchmark, Mittelstadt's trade value was roughly equivalent to a late 1st.

Which begs the question, if CMac had traded Mittelstadt somewhere for a return of a 1st, and then flipped the 1st+ for Coyle or another center, would the trade have looked as bad initially as it did?
 
My initial reaction to the Coyle trade was that it was insanely high of a price. Like, where's the secondary asset coming back to Colorado?!

But the more I think about it the more I think this trade needs to be looked at relative to another trade at the TDL, namely Bjorkstrand.

Gourde (75%) + Bjorkstrand for two 1sts and a 2nd basically breaks down to a 1st for rental Gourde and 1st + 2nd for Bjorkstrand.

Bjorkstrand has roughly the same caphit as Coyle, and also a year extra term, like Coyle. They're both similar hard working middle 6 forwards, but Coyle plays the premium center position.

So if the price for Bjorkstrand was 1st + 2nd, why would Coyle go for less given their similar pedigree and contracts? In fact his price was arguably higher given that he's a center with more playoff experience.

In that light, it's probably fair to say that the price of Mittelstadt + 2nd + Zellers is roughly equivalent to the Bjorkstrand trade (1st + 2nd), albeit with the addition of Zellers since Coyle is a center and thus slightly more valuable than Bjorkstrand positionally. So using the Bjorkstrand trade as a benchmark, Mittelstadt's trade value was roughly equivalent to a late 1st.

Which begs the question, if CMac had traded Mittelstadt somewhere for a return of a 1st, and then flipped the 1st+ for Coyle or another center, would the trade have looked as bad initially as it did?

Nailed it
 
Coyle just doesn't seem like the kind of guy you need to "overpay" to get though. Who knows, we'll see how he does with us. Wonder if he's playing tonight. One thing's for sure though, CMac has been the most active GM this season with roster defining moves and I love it. Get MacK-Frail the best chance to win at all costs. f*** everything else. Suffer for it in 3 years.
Looking at the market, what did you think a middle 6 C with a playoff style game would cost? Just look at what Laughton returned for example. Boston had no reason to sell Coyle cheaply either since he has another year of term left.
 
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I think the optics would have been a lot better if we had moved Mitts somewhere else as the salary dump he clearly is, then made a separate move for Coyle. But f*** optics.

My feeling is they are spending way too many assets on the hope that they'll win the cup this year. Who exactly are they expecting to be the 2C in two to three years?

That being said, I intend to park my worries for now and enjoy the hell out of this team. This is by far the deepest we have been since our cup run, and we have loaded up on exactly the kind of players you need to win in the playoffs. The roster flexibility we have now is also insane, with a group of top 8 forwards who can pretty much all be mixed and matched, and a defense with a good mix of grit and skill. If our goaltending holds up, I think we can go toe to toe with anyone in the league now.

Honestly though I hope we stay in the second wildcard because the only team that genuinely worries me is Dallas.
Yeah am not even sure which Western team would not mind facing Avs in playoffs.
 
I thought they might keep Casey as a hedge in case they don’t re-sign Brock Walleye.
Now they have Coyle as the backup plan at 2C incase Nelson walks. He's only a year removed from 60 points and even if the offense doesn't quite hit that level he'll still be able to contribute adequately given his defensive strengths. A line of Lehkonen-Coyle-Nichushkin could be pretty stellar next year, albeit probably not the most prolific offensively.
 
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