A very good third line. But then who's on second?
Confirmed with Link: Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd
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Tommy Shelby
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Wood-Colton-Vesey is line 2
John Mandalorian
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One guys up the ice doing the dirty work. One guys facilitating. One guys burying chances. If a line like this works, you can spread the talent to another line.
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Wow a lot of thoughts on this move.
I obviously didn't like the Mitts-Byram trade, but that's in the past, and we're here now with Casey not working out, on the verge of hopefully another Cup run. So I'm not gonna factor that into my evaluation here.
My first thought is that I wonder where he plays and I wonder if he provides more offense than Mitts might have? I would have been ok with Mitts at 3C if they went that route.
My next thought though is that Coyle is a better goal scorer than Mitts, which they need. His lower point totals this year are entirely due to a lower assist total, which may have to do with playing with lesser linemantes than before, and perhaps here.
He's still on pace for 20 goals, which would be the best pace in his last nine seasons, and just one off his 2nd career high of 21, with 25 being his highest. Both of which could be within reach with a good finish to the season.
The next thought is obviously that he's much bigger, stronger, and tougher to play agisnt than Mitts. They need this in general, but this type of player is also my preference for 3rd liners, especially 3C's.
My question though is does he play 3C or RW somewhere? Guess that's a good option to have.
I'm not sure he's a better skater than Mitts but he plays a different game than Mitts so he doesn't need it as much. If he wants to hold onto the puck he can win more battles, and he can be that X factor clutch goal scoring sniper, and let someone else carry the puck.
He'll score a lot in the slot and front of the net and be some insurance for Val and Landy with his net front presence, that the team desperately misses when they're both out.
You never know, if Nelson leaves, he could find his game again at 2C, and perhaps as a righty form some chemistry with a playmaker like Drouin. Or perhaps he clicks well with Necas if he plays there.
In the end I wish they would have traded Mitts for a top 4 defenseman, since they didn't really make that kind of move, but I like some of the things Coyle brings to the table, and Mitts just wasn't working, so I'll wait optimistically to see how he plays.
I obviously didn't like the Mitts-Byram trade, but that's in the past, and we're here now with Casey not working out, on the verge of hopefully another Cup run. So I'm not gonna factor that into my evaluation here.
My first thought is that I wonder where he plays and I wonder if he provides more offense than Mitts might have? I would have been ok with Mitts at 3C if they went that route.
My next thought though is that Coyle is a better goal scorer than Mitts, which they need. His lower point totals this year are entirely due to a lower assist total, which may have to do with playing with lesser linemantes than before, and perhaps here.
He's still on pace for 20 goals, which would be the best pace in his last nine seasons, and just one off his 2nd career high of 21, with 25 being his highest. Both of which could be within reach with a good finish to the season.
The next thought is obviously that he's much bigger, stronger, and tougher to play agisnt than Mitts. They need this in general, but this type of player is also my preference for 3rd liners, especially 3C's.
My question though is does he play 3C or RW somewhere? Guess that's a good option to have.
I'm not sure he's a better skater than Mitts but he plays a different game than Mitts so he doesn't need it as much. If he wants to hold onto the puck he can win more battles, and he can be that X factor clutch goal scoring sniper, and let someone else carry the puck.
He'll score a lot in the slot and front of the net and be some insurance for Val and Landy with his net front presence, that the team desperately misses when they're both out.
You never know, if Nelson leaves, he could find his game again at 2C, and perhaps as a righty form some chemistry with a playmaker like Drouin. Or perhaps he clicks well with Necas if he plays there.
In the end I wish they would have traded Mitts for a top 4 defenseman, since they didn't really make that kind of move, but I like some of the things Coyle brings to the table, and Mitts just wasn't working, so I'll wait optimistically to see how he plays.
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Ok I didn't like MittelJost but I really don't think Coyle was the play here. First thoughts are bad trade for us IMO. We'll see I guess.
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Avs do this every year now recently under Bednar.
They have one style of play they utilize, with certain types of players for the regular season. Then they get bigger, and tougher to play against for the playoffs, and play a different more physical style.
In general I think that's the right approach for team building in this era.
They're two completely different types of hockey. The regular season version is a new version of hockey, where speed, skill, and possession is the name of the game, and physical play can sometimes be a detriment to positional play.
The playoff version is much closer to the old school version, where you gotta battle, and fight through adversity, and physical play while the whistles get put away, and defenseman have more leeway.
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I think what you see is the deadline acquisitions play normal hockey the way they've been coached and taught all their lives. They go in fast on the forecheck and finish hits and try to cause turnovers. When possible they use body positioning and physicality to play defense in the neutral zone and defensive zone.
And in a month or so by the time the second round has started Bednar's coached that out of the new players.
They skate around aimlessly and poke their stick at the puck every once in a while. And when they finally get the puck all 3 forwards dash up ice and hope Makar or
Exactly. Playoffs referees hide their whistles and the game changes completely. Aggression isn't punished anymore the same way. Regular season is all about speed and talent these days, because you get penalized for contact fairly easily. Playoffs totally different. Also bigger bodies can handle those rough long series easier.
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He had a week or so after the Rantanen trade where he stalled out. He's back in full force now!
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Mitts is going to an organization where they play a defensive system and try to win puck battles. He'll do well there.
I've only followed hockey since late 2022. Not sure who this Reto Berra is.
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The Avs play much more physical hockey in the playoffs under Bednar too though. Especially the forwards. It's been very noticeable from Game 1 and on every year IMO. It looks like a different team.
I think Bednar understands the different styles of hockey needed for regular season and playoffs and so does management.
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Personally, here’s what I think happened here.
1 - the Avs didn’t know if they were gonna be able to get a 2C upgrade. From all the rumors, it wasn’t til late yesterday where Nelson was finally loose and no longer considering an extension with the islanders.
2 - now the Avs had to pivot and had two options. Trade Mitts away for assets, then use the assets to acquire a 3C replacement. When they couldn’t get enough value as separate trades, they went straight to the teams and forced them to take back Mitts.
Boston prob had very little insterest in this swap and needed incentive to make it happen.
1 - the Avs didn’t know if they were gonna be able to get a 2C upgrade. From all the rumors, it wasn’t til late yesterday where Nelson was finally loose and no longer considering an extension with the islanders.
2 - now the Avs had to pivot and had two options. Trade Mitts away for assets, then use the assets to acquire a 3C replacement. When they couldn’t get enough value as separate trades, they went straight to the teams and forced them to take back Mitts.
Boston prob had very little insterest in this swap and needed incentive to make it happen.
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If your trade suggestions were a tree, how does each of these trades not hit at least one of your branches?
Tommy Shelby
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Utah wasn't selling. Or doing anything, really, besides shedding Weber's LTIR contract
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Hasn't this been debunked? PPs go up in the playoffs.
he's definitely a better skater, Mitts is the worst in the whole league
Yes, i think we would be better off with a 3C + 4D, each for 3M, rather than pay our new 3C second line money. But such deal was probably not to be found. Or they truly believe this is just bad season for Coyle and he might bounce back to his production from previous years. We shall see. Fingers crossed, we wont curse this trade few weeks/months from now.
