Confirmed with Link: Avs acquire C Brock Nelson (50% retained) + F William Dufour for F Cal Ritchie + D Oliver Kylington + 2026 1st + Cond. 2028 3rd

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"Omg we traded future top 4 d Helleson for UFA Manson that's an overpay!"

"Wtf Joe... you trade top 4d Barron for a 40 point 3rd liner Lehkonen!!!"

f*** the prospects, f*** the picks. Cmac has shown he is very capable of getting picks back in off-season and finding solid college players. Will we win the cup ? Who knows. Are we much better after this deal? f*** yeah, I want more trades.
 
Isles fan coming in peace. Hopefully the deal works out for both teams. Brock is a good guy and a good player. I can see him re-signing with you guys - not sure if the MN stuff was anything more than rumors/assumptions. And yeah he's 33, but he's got size and has been healthy his whole career and doesn't play a style that depends on speed/recklessness. In other words, I can see him being effective for another several years. Anyway, good luck - I want the 3rd round pick :sarcasm: (and would be rooting for Brock anyway).
Being healthy is actually something really, really important. Especially when you look at the recent playoff-history of Colorado. Sometimes all the goalies are missing, sometimes your captain misses a while like three years and sometimes Valeri Nichushkin is Valeri Nichushkin.
 
It is just four games, 100% accurate, but it is a pretty big tournament not only for yourself internally, but also to compare yourself against the best of the league. It's not a "random sample size" brethren. The Stanley Cup playoffs, especially going in the deeper rounds, is more of the best of and he didn't stand up to the test.

I am not against acquiring him, I am against paying this much for a player who is at best, above-average. He is closer to Mittelstadt in terms of performance on the ice than he is to Lehkonen.
The best player in the world looked like trash at that tournament, while the top American scorer got healthy scratched for the final game.

I wouldn't ever use that tournament as a barometer.
 
It is just four games, 100% accurate, but it is a pretty big tournament not only for yourself internally, but also to compare yourself against the best of the league. It's not a "random sample size" brethren. The Stanley Cup playoffs, especially going in the deeper rounds, is more of the best of and he didn't stand up to the test.

I am not against acquiring him, I am against paying this much for a player who is at best, above-average. He is closer to Mittelstadt in terms of performance on the ice than he is to Lehkonen.
Sure it’s a best on best.
But you’re playing with a bunch of guys you have no chemistry with.
You’re playing with minimal coaching, minimal structure.

To me, it’s absolutely pointless to take anything good or bad from something that short. Not every player just automatically fits in in 4 games.

Why aren’t we using his career? Or his recent seasons? FAR more in line with his capabilities than a 4 game tournament with a team full of guys he NEVER plays with.
 
The best player in the world looked like trash at that tournament, while the top American scorer got healthy scratched for the final game.

I wouldn't ever use that tournament as a barometer.
McDavid has looked like rubbish the entire year though, he just followed that form into the tournament and has been the same since.

Also Makar is the best player in the world.
 
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People value futures too damn high. I'd prefer the Avs go for it and have zero futures than hold onto them and not try.

I understand the all-in philosophy around here but I think the best exemple I can take is Tampa. They didnt care enough if their young assets, start to waste them for marginal plugs and them their hulkster maintain them on top, but thet arent deep enough to make it till then end. This club is good now but could be a way long with a better plan.

Anyway, I like Brock but the trade sucks
 
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LEHKONEN - MACKINNON - NECAS
DROUIN - NELSON - NICHUSHKIN

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Seriously? There is no sense in comparing a trade made in 2008 to one made in 2025.

Come on, now.
There are trades made all the time, there are horrible trades made all the time, and there are good trades made all the time. I get it, there is a certain time to stop comparing, aka Lindros and Forsberg trades, sure, but Hossa was in the post-salary cap area so it's fair game (any trade in the post salary cap area I believe can be used as a comparison tool).
 
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There are trades made all the time, there are horrible trades made all the time, and there are good trades made all the time. I get it, there is a certain time to stop comparing, aka Lindros and Forsberg trades, sure, but Hossa was in the post-salary cap area so it's fair game (any trade in the post salary cap area I believe can be used as a comparison tool).
There is different context to every single season and every single trade.

There are hardly any sellers this year, so of course prices are going to be higher than usual.

You can't just pick a random trade from 2008 and compare it with this one.
 
Why aren’t we using his career? Or his recent seasons? FAR more in line with his capabilities than a 4 game tournament with a team full of guys he NEVER plays with.
Because it is the most recent big-time game he's played and the chemistry issue is overblown. Some players were playing with blokes for the first time and killed it. Karlsson, B. Tkachuk, MacKinnon, Marner, Bratt, and Granlund.
 
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Just stopping by to give some input on Brock, though I imagine most of you are familiar. He’s on the decline, with that said he’s still quietly mobile, with savvy hands. His bread and butter is his wrist shot. Give him a clean look and he’s usually money. Peak Brock was quicker (both hands and skating); but again he’s only marginally declined.

My only gripe with him is that he has the tendency to float and disengage—this has been a long standing issue. He also shies away from contact. His fluid skating, accurate shot, and offensive IQ will fit nicely with the Avs behind that loaded top line.

I was rooting for the Avs before this trade, and well, that obviously hasn’t changed.

Can you tell me about Ritchie?

Thanks.
 

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