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Volcanologist said:
I'd like to see Matthews play with someone who is also a strong finisher. It would open up some ice for him if there was someone else on his line who was a shooting threat.
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Marner needs to finish more. For his salary, he needs to finish as well.
 
Pookie said:
Got to ask... mainly to be a dick so I totally acknowledge that ;)

All the crap you gave me and others about Dubas and Keefe... can you at least acknowledge that some of the points raised were legitimate warning signs?
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Good post.

I doubt most of the dubas fan boys will acknowledge that we were right with our doubts and they were completely wrong putting their faith in dubas.

Maybe after a 4th first round loss they will wake up. Although I'm not holding my breath.
 
If he is a hart finalist again next year I'll be impressed. He's a top 5 player when on his game. Has a chance to become the 2nd best player in the league if he can take a rocket + hart combo (though he'll need a strong playoffs and Kucherov will have to not be dominant otherwise he won't be 2nd)

Going to be a pressure filled year for him, 16, 91 and to an extent 88.

Legacy defining seaso coming up
 
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Garthinater said:
Its funny that babs never loaded the lines and was lambasted for it.

Now keefe stacks the lines and everyone wants us to spread out the talent.

Maybe babs wasn't as bad as everyone thought after all.
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Or maybe they are both wrong. Or maybe the line combinations aren't working regardless of what they are. Maybe the players are just the wrong players.

We can't go from failing with Babs, and then failing with Keefe and being like "Oh, maybe Babs was actually right" when his way was also failing but just further in the past, so its not top-of-mind.

IMO I think they should go with Willy/Matthews, and Marner/JT. Maybe it spreads it out better. All I know is nothing has worked in the last 5 years in the playoffs, regardless who was coaching.
 
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Mess said:
Kind of like what Babcock did and knew when it came to line building.
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Exactly like he did. Except redistribute the TOI and PP time. Neither pair should be cemented, we have options with the big 4 and need to use them. Both Keefe and Babs have been overly stuck on certain combos
 
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egd27 said:
Honest question, do you think he can be that player without Nylander or Marner on his wing?
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I don't think its likely he can be that player with them on his wing but with one of them it's a possibility. I just added that part b/c I know there are some fans who are really high on him (some consider him the 2nd best player right now lool) so I was basically thinking what he'd have to do for me to get to that level.

To be that good a player you need talented players who you have chemistry with. As pissed as I am at marner he's a top 10 offensive player in the game when on(sadly he fades in the playoffs terribly)

If Matthews played with Engvall and Mikheyev I think he'd be a ppg center only but that applies for any Ayer really. If 97 played with those two he's be a 100ish point player only (so long as he had talent on the PP to play with)
 
pretty good Hart voting performance for Matthews. he left Mackinnon in the dust for 2nd. was expecting that to be a little closer.
 
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Gallagbi said:
Exactly like he did. Except redistribute the TOI and PP time. Neither pair should be cemented, we have options with the big 4 and need to use them. Both Keefe and Babs have been overly stuck on certain combos
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It's like people can't conceptualize the idea that both Keefe and Babcock can be wrong, one of their approaches has to be the way.
 
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Azail said:
Or maybe they are both wrong. Or maybe the line combinations aren't working regardless of what they are. Maybe the players are just the wrong players.

We can't go from failing with Babs, and then failing with Keefe and being like "Oh, maybe Babs was actually right" when his way was also failing but just further in the past, so its not top-of-mind.

IMO I think they should go with Willy/Matthews, and Marner/JT. Maybe it spreads it out better. All I know is nothing has worked in the last 5 years in the playoffs, regardless who was coaching.
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Babcock had a young and immature team. Keefe has an immature team. Either way both have their quirks that keep/kept them from achieving anything worth noting here.
 
Azail said:
Or maybe they are both wrong. Or maybe the line combinations aren't working regardless of what they are. Maybe the players are just the wrong players.

We can't go from failing with Babs, and then failing with Keefe and being like "Oh, maybe Babs was actually right" when his way was also failing but just further in the past, so its not top-of-mind.

IMO I think they should go with Willy/Matthews, and Marner/JT. Maybe it spreads it out better. All I know is nothing has worked in the last 5 years in the playoffs, regardless who was coaching.
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Mike Babcock had the right "gud pro" message but the wrong delivery - which seems to have hurt the message.

Sheldon Keefe seems to still be figuring out what the right message is.
 
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Was Babs wrong in what he said and how he wanted the team to play?
Now did he execute those ideas or can the players he had played the way he wanted, that’s another story.
Babs wanted his players to work like Hyman.
Babs and Lou wanted the players to play as a team and win as a team.
I see nothing wrong with Babs wanting players to play like Hyman or Brown, bc we are pretty much saying if only the Core can have their heart and hustle.
My beef with Babs is that he wanted the players to play his way instead of maximizing the players strength to fit his system. Look at Martin, Leo, Polak, to some extend Carrick and even Leivo. They all looked much better the moment he went to another team.
The other thing about Babs is that he is too stubborn with his ways and somehow he could get the kids to play a solid defensive system.

Keefe is pretty much the opposite of Babs. He is a players coach.
Keefe system is good but it seems like he doesn’t want to change certain dynamics of the team for whatever reason. Pretty much being stubborn like Babs.
 
Gallagbi said:
I'd like to see him get an extended look with Nylander again next year. Put Mitch back with Tavares so he's forced to carry more of the play
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Marner, Matthew's and Rielly were the top 3 in shot contribution in the playoffs. The logical fallacy is that they weren't getting chances which they were in spades. A better analysis would be questioning why other lines weren't getting scoring chances with defense so concentrated on the first line. There is data available to show rushes and the transition from rushes to scoring chances. Goals are considered randomized events that correlate somewhat to scoring chances better than any other metric by far. A rush that dies regularly is where to look and those guys are not the worse on the team by quite a bit.
 
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