News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[geo25]

Everybody called out Dubas even before the pandemic the moment the contracts were signed. The GMs across the league were stunned, media personalities (excluding dubas shills) were all questioning the reason and logic behind those contracts. Heck even Leafs fans such as my self were questioinning what the hell is up with these contracts

Eichel, McDavid, Draisaitl as examples all signed 8 year deals. there was no reason to not sign them for 8 year deals at a reasonalble cap hit. Hell even Aho when he signed his deal with the canes for 5 years there was no NMC/NTC in his contract.

Rantanen also just got modified NTC.

The contracts that Dubas signed were ridiculous and at the detriment of the franchise. Any other spin on it is just defending dubas at the expense of the franchise.



Dude I am done talking to you. You take part of my post and spin it and mvoe goal posts and do not address the rest of the post.

Cheers!

The most baffling part is despite all of his incompetence and mistakes, Shanny wanted him back with a RAISE???. Talk of incompetence has to start with him & ownership.

It’s definitely pretty assinine that the rule book goes out the window in the playoffs. You have to build almost 2 different teams in one

Good way of putting it...lol

 

[geo25]

If they can do it in 6 years and we can’t in 56 years as well as 1 round win in 20 years. You don’t think that’s a problem. It’s not self deprecating it’s a legitimate comment
The question still stands if they can do it why can’t we

my "like" powers have been taken away. So here is an emoji

You too huh? Too much truth hurts...even here

 

[darrylsittler27]

So who goes?

Probably me. If the Leafs overpay it's over. They have a weak prospect pool and no picks. Dubas was absolute garbage for 5 years. If the Leafs continue to be a joke sports organization then why watch? These players are greedy, weak and selfish. Why reward that with my valuable time? There is no reason to believe this team will win a cup soon. None.

 

[Trapper]

Probably me. If the Leafs overpay it's over. They have a weak prospect pool and no picks. Dubas was absolute garbage for 5 years. If the Leafs continue to be a joke sports organization then why watch? These players are greedy, weak and selfish. Why reward that with my valuable time? There is no reason to believe this team will win a cup soon. None.

Time to take a page out of Nylander’s book.
We don’t know (as fans) what we are going to do. We will have to see who stays, what they sign for and how things look from a winning in the playoffs/winning the Cup aspect to determine stay or go. May need a break for a few years until they are all gone.

 

[DarkKnight]

First question “what makes you think you deserve to be the highest player in the league?”

 

[Racer88]

Probably me. If the Leafs overpay it's over. They have a weak prospect pool and no picks. Dubas was absolute garbage for 5 years. If the Leafs continue to be a joke sports organization then why watch? These players are greedy, weak and selfish. Why reward that with my valuable time? There is no reason to believe this team will win a cup soon. None.

It’s sad but more Leaf fans need to think this way. Nothing will ever change and we will continue to be fed the same lame excuses ….. we faced a tough opponent, we didn’t get the bounces, we got goalied, the refs don’t like us, xfg, xfb xfBS said we were the better team etc etc.
I know they will all ways sell out, always sell lots of merch and thats what makes it so tough to remain a life long Leaf fan.
If they run everything back the same next year it’s going to be tough to even watch the regular season and I love watching the Leafs but no matter how well they doin the season they most likely will crap the bed and give up in the playoffs for the 8th year in a row

 

[ACC1224]

It’s sad but more Leaf fans need to think this way. Nothing will ever change and we will continue to be fed the same lame excuses ….. we faced a tough opponent, we didn’t get the bounces, we got goalied, the refs don’t like us, xfg, xfb xfBS said we were the better team etc etc.
I know they will all ways sell out, always sell lots of merch and thats what makes it so tough to remain a life long Leaf fan.
If they run everything back the same next year it’s going to be tough to even watch the regular season and I love watching the Leafs but no matter how well they doin the season they most likely will crap the bed and give up in the playoffs for the 8th year in a row

I remember back when many would utter the exact same sentiment about the constant retooling and not tanking and doing a full rebuild.
Eventually those wishing that got their way, they tanked and built through the draft. Now for some, the wishes have changed.

 

[Racer88]

I remember back when many would utter the exact same sentiment about the constant retooling and not tanking and doing a full rebuild.
Eventually those wishing that got their way, they tanked and built through the draft. Now for some, the wishes have changed.

I was 100% on board for the tank and rebuild then Dubas took over and and made a major mess of things. For that I blame Shanny and feel he should have been gone along with Dubas. Shanny should have got an experienced GM to Shepard them thru the once in a lifetime rebuild.

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s definitely pretty assinine that the rule book goes out the window in the playoffs. You have to build almost 2 different teams in one

It doesn’t go completely out the window, but the players want a little more leeway because of the intensity of the playoffs. It’s been like this forever, and hopefully it stays like this for a few more years.

And a HUGE YES about building a team for playoff success. If you watched any playoffs over the past 50 yrs, and listened to what players and coaches say, you have to be able to play against different styles from series to series. Even Dubas learned that during his apprenticeship with the Leafs.

 

[Trapper]

I remember back when many would utter the exact same sentiment about the constant retooling and not tanking and doing a full rebuild.
Eventually those wishing that got their way, they tanked and built through the draft. Now for some, the wishes have changed.

Rebuilding through the draft and stockpiling/managing assets is the way to go. I stand by that. However, that doesn’t mean you draft in 14,15,16 and boom Cup. You have to see what you have, the sum of the parts and how it performs together. You might have to make changes or use 1 drafted player to address a major area of weakness. We just drafted and paid.

 

[Sypher04]

It doesn’t go completely out the window, but the players want a little more leeway because of the intensity of the playoffs. It’s been like this forever, and hopefully it stays like this for a few more years.

And a HUGE YES about building a team for playoff success. If you watched any playoffs over the past 50 yrs, and listened to what players and coaches say, you have to be able to play against different styles from series to series. Even Dubas learned that during his apprenticeship with the Leafs.

I’d say it leans more to out the window than purely added leniency, but we’re effectively arguing the same thing.

I’ve watched a ton of playoffs, maybe not for 50 years as I’m only in my 30s, but a long time and yes this is generally the mantra. Adjusting to diffferent playing styles is part of being a team deserving of winning the cup, but the change in the way the game is called shouldn’t really be minimized either as it’s a different thing to playing style. It’s not an excuse, all teams deal with it, but it is a definite oddity of the NHL postseason.

 

[ToneDog]

I’d say it leans more to out the window than purely added leniency, but we’re effectively arguing the same thing.

I’ve watched a ton of playoffs, maybe not for 50 years as I’m only in my 30s, but a long time and yes this is generally the mantra. Adjusting to diffferent playing styles is part of being a team deserving of winning the cup, but the change in the way the game is called shouldn’t really be minimized either as it’s a different thing to playing style. It’s not an excuse, all teams deal with it, but it is a definite oddity of the NHL postseason.

Teams have to play more than one way to beat you in the playoffs. Leafs can't, Vegas can.

 

[Nineteen67]

First question “what makes you think you deserve to be the highest player in the league?”

If I have to live in Canada I’m being paid a premium. Otherwise I’ll go live somewhere easier.

 

[Nineteen67]

I’d say it leans more to out the window than purely added leniency, but we’re effectively arguing the same thing.

I’ve watched a ton of playoffs, maybe not for 50 years as I’m only in my 30s, but a long time and yes this is generally the mantra. Adjusting to diffferent playing styles is part of being a team deserving of winning the cup, but the change in the way the game is called shouldn’t really be minimized either as it’s a different thing to playing style. It’s not an excuse, all teams deal with it, but it is a definite oddity of the NHL postseason.

It’s not odd, it’s what players and management want.
in February they need pp and 3on 3 because they don’t care and they want to get through the season.

Come April there are 15 teams that start to care and want both the challenge and the leeway to hurt someone that gets in their way. It’s what makes the sport.

It won’t be this forever so I suggest you cherish it while you can.

 

[DarkKnight]

If I have to live in Canada I’m being paid a premium. Otherwise I’ll go live somewhere easier.

The best market in the game, with the biggest perks. Go live somewhere else. We need to stop acting like this a backwater destination, if he doesn’t agree, bye. I’m over this mentality, take the boatload return and move on then.

 

[ORRFForever]

Probably me. If the Leafs overpay it's over. They have a weak prospect pool and no picks. Dubas was absolute garbage for 5 years. If the Leafs continue to be a joke sports organization then why watch? These players are greedy, weak and selfish. Why reward that with my valuable time? There is no reason to believe this team will win a cup soon. None.

That's fair.

 

[Canadian Finn]

The best market in the game, with the biggest perks. Go live somewhere else. We need to stop acting like this a backwater destination, if he doesn’t agree, bye. I’m over this mentality, take the boatload return and move on then.

more like a canoe load for that pant load.

 

[TOGuy14]

If the rumors are true that Matthews will only sign a 3-4 year deal I think I look at trading him.

Guy hasn't accomplished anything and fades in the playoffs but his top priority is signing a deal that sets him up for his next deal (at the expense of this team and our cap situation)

Must be nice for teams like Colorado and Boston that have star players deliver and buy in at fair prices for 8 years.

 

[Marlow88]

If the rumors are true that Matthews will only sign a 3-4 year deal I think I look at trading him.thin

Guy hasn't accomplished anything and fades in the playoffs but his top priority is signing a deal that sets him up for his next deal (at the expense of this team and our cap situation)

NHL GMs tend to think you need to have a #1 center in order to win the Stanley Cup. We see what Las Vegas done, when they went after Jack Eichel when he became available. I suspect that Brad Trevling is thinking that he has a #1 center and that he will be willing to give a silly contract to Matthews, even though he does not deserve it.

 

[TOGuy14]

NHL GMs tend to think you need to have a #1 center in order to win the Stanley Cup. We see what Las Vegas done, when they went after Jack Eichel when he became available. I suspect that Brad Trevling is thinking that he has a #1 center and that he will be willing to give a silly contract to Matthews, even though he does not deserve it.

I don't think it matters what Brad thinks.

I think Shanny and the board are keeping the core together at all costs. I get the sense that being regular season successful and one round of playoff revenue is more important to them than taking a chance on a deal that could land them a cup at some point

 

[leafan11]

I don't think it matters what Brad thinks.

I think Shanny and the board are keeping the core together at all costs. I get the sense that being regular season successful and one round of playoff revenue is more important to them than taking a chance on a deal that could land them a cup at some point

Good point, I think the Board must see how much the core 4 generates in revenue for the team and are too scared to break up their cash cow.

 

[therealkoho]

depending how things turn out who'd of ever thunk that Jack Eichel could beat Matthews to the Stanley Cup not to mention possibly the Conn Smythe.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Hmmm..... Winning Culture is propounded upon setting goals and foresight who knew huh?

The way Vegas was able to build its team right off the hop is still bunk. Full credit to them for the moves they've made since to get where they are today. But walking away from the expansion draft with the calibre and quality of talent they did was bogus.

 

[francis246]

The best market in the game, with the biggest perks. Go live somewhere else. We need to stop acting like this a backwater destination, if he doesn’t agree, bye. I’m over this mentality, take the boatload return and move on then.

Thank YOU! People who make it seem like playing in Canada is the worst thing piss me off. Toronto is just as good as any other major city in the US.

The way Vegas was able to build its team right off the hop is still bunk. Full credit to them for the moves they've made since to get where they are today. But walking away from the expansion draft with the calibre and quality of talent they did was bogus.

Teams got scared and traded first rounders to keep players they probably wished they let go. Vegas was able to parlay those prospects and picks they got into players. Masterful

 

[Buds17]

The way Vegas was able to build its team right off the hop is still bunk. Full credit to them for the moves they've made since to get where they are today. But walking away from the expansion draft with the calibre and quality of talent they did was bogus.

Yes and no. Previous expansion teams typically made side deals based on rival teams wanting them to avoid certain players whereas VGK's side deals were about selecting certain players (generally due to issues related to the cap/money or protection limits for the expansion draft). While they were able to leverage this newfound opportunity very well, I still wouldn't have looked at that inaugural roster/team and pegged it to be a Cup finalist.