News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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Always be careful with data.

It's only meant to be used in conjunction with other tools, and should never be the whole picture when analyzing a player or a game.

In my world, more data is good.
It helps to expand the picture or clear up some fuzzy areas of detail.

What advanced stats can't do, is paint the whole picture.


so a player had 14 shots on goal, that's great.
Where were they from, what type or shot, was he alone or were there others around who had better shots available, etc.

That he had 14 shots is a statistic.
The context of those 14 shots is important.




Take Kyper with a mountain of salt.
I've always had him in the same category as Simmons, Cox, Feschuck, and even the older Toronto Sun columnists...out for attention and clicks/reads.



I'd be shocked if they didn't help author this to be honest.

I've heard that the teams have access to much much more detail than we do.

They have shift by shift data, not just big picture stuff.
Of course.. context is key i believe is a favorite phrase to go to.

If i share opinions on players and what i think of them i can only do thatbif i watch them - i could never in good faith read their data book and conclude

On the flip side i enjoy looking at some of these things mainly to see if my opinions are just.. i mean it is fascinating and i have to limit myself as i can go for hours on this type of thing.. i used to build my own reports in my old job because i didnt like the company's.. and used to build projection models because they didnt have them

I can go deep down.. i have to limit myself haha
 
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Been playing hockey since he was 4,5,6 ?? The only ankles he is swinging at are the Skip delivery guy who brings him left wings.
Marner could learn a couple things from a player like Kucherov....similar styles but Kuch can be a prick and has a little nasty in him. Would take Mitch to the next level imo.
 
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I hear ya re Marner, he will go into the corners but if he gets punched like he did he needs to do a Kessel and start swinging at Tcachuks ankles and let him know there will be a price for his actions. You cant just take it ....you have to respond even if its not in your nature...imo
He shouldn't have had to match up with Tkachuk in the first place. Very few players would have done to Marner what Tkachuk did there, it was more playful than anything IMO.
 
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Maybe you have heard it, but ignored it.

I've heard these players say those exact things a bunch of times.

And seeing that the players have improved in the off-seasons, in ways that round out their game (Marner's shooting and his penchant for passing off shots, Matthews' defensive game, and face-offs, etc), it's safe to say they have been working on their weaknesses every summer.

There are actual, valid reasons to be disappointed with these people.
We don't need to invent reasons that don't actually exist.

You mentioned Nylander pulling up before getting hit.
He's been like that his whole career. And I've made it crystal clear my opinion o his game. When he allows contact and pushes through it, he's a top 20 player in the league, akin to Marner. Otherwise, he's a liability.

You mentioned Matthews getting rag-dolled.
Obviously missed the series against Tampa when he fought Stamkos.
Or hits big hits game 1 and 2.
Or crunching Webber.

Matthews is a player who doesn't shy away from contact. His body of work over 7 seasons shows him to be heavily involved in front of both nets, an area where the rules are sporadic or non-existent.


You mentioned players getting crushed and the team mates not jumping in.

When they do retaliate, Toronto players are disproportionately disciplined by the league.
What Bennet, McCann, Makar, Benn, Kane, Pietro did would have resulted in series-long suspensions if it were Kadri, or Spezza.

Hell, as stupid as it was, Bunting's elbow was no worse than what Petro or Makar or McCann, or Benn did. He got 3 games, they got 1 or 2 (Benn).

It's a philosophical thing with the team. Babcock said it best: "our toughness is our power play".
It was stupid then, and detrimental to the team in the long run.
Theres so much wrong with this I dont know where to start so I wont. You can talk til your blue in your face trying to convince me that Im wrong about my assessment but Ive had plenty of time to make my own opinions about it.

and...lol about the time he fought Stamkos.....Stammer was making 34 his bitch and forced Matthews to try and stick up for himself which he kind of almost did but they both went to the ice. If you see that incident as proof that Matthews is tough and doesnt go limp 99 percent of the time someone engages him, then thats fine. We just dont see the game the same way.
 
Theres so much wrong with this I dont know where to start so I wont. You can talk til your blue in your face trying to convince me that Im wrong about my assessment but Ive had plenty of time to make my own opinions about it.

and...lol about the time he fought Stamkos.....Stammer was making 34 his bitch and forced Matthews to try and stick up for himself which he kind of almost did but they both went to the ice. If you see that incident as proof that Matthews is tough and doesnt go limp 99 percent of the time someone engages him, then thats fine. We just dont see the game the same way.
In all my years of watching hockey I have never seen a scrum like that happen and while it's going on a player starts picking up sticks. :laugh:

He is what he is. They need to surround Matthews and Marner with some toughness, they won't be changing.
 
In all my years of watching hockey I have never seen a scrum like that happen and while it's going on a player starts picking up sticks. :laugh:

He is what he is. They need to surround Matthews and Marner with some toughness, they won't be changing.
its okay to have 1-2 of your skilled guys like that but when they are all like that you aint winning shit. Put the Tkachuk brothers or similar mentality/style players in place of Marner and Nylander and tell me we arent way harder to play against. Chances are we would still be playing...imo
 
its okay to have 1-2 of your skilled guys like that but when they are all like that you aint winning shit. Put the Tkachuk brothers or similar mentality/style players in place of Marner and Nylander and tell me we arent way harder to play against. Chances are we would still be playing...imo
For me it's not 'in place of' but 'in addition to'.
Matthews/Marner need a Tom Wilson type on the other wing.
 
In all my years of watching hockey I have never seen a scrum like that happen and while it's going on a player starts picking up sticks. :laugh:

He is what he is. They need to surround Matthews and Marner with some toughness, they won't be changing.
How long have you been watching hockey that you've never seen a scrum end before.....

Generally speaking, once a scrum ends, people tend to pick up equipment.

You know what isn't considered being tough?
Punching someone in the face who is otherwise engaged.....

Says a lot about what some people want out of this team.
Want more cheap shots and sucker punches...
 
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They first need managment that acquires Wilson-type players then directs the coach to unleash them, and our players gotta know that the coach doesn't give a rat's *** about the instigator penalty.
Yep show some fire
We've heard so many times how quiet it was on the Leafs bench - until they got Simmonds I believe. Then a few others have helped liven things up on the bench. We need that on the ice - noone fash washes your C - take the penalty
 
Of course.. context is key i believe is a favorite phrase to go to.

If i share opinions on players and what i think of them i can only do thatbif i watch them - i could never in good faith read their data book and conclude

On the flip side i enjoy looking at some of these things mainly to see if my opinions are just.. i mean it is fascinating and i have to limit myself as i can go for hours on this type of thing.. i used to build my own reports in my old job because i didnt like the company's.. and used to build projection models because they didnt have them

I can go deep down.. i have to limit myself haha

These sites like Naturalstattrick or Moneypuck have definite value but you also need to go back and watch the tape because things like shot locations or even something like a specific hit are sometimes way out of whack.
 
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These sites like Naturalstattrick or Moneypuck have definite value but you also need to go back and watch the tape because things like shot locations or even something like a specific hit are sometimes way out of whack.
Oh don't get me wrong I'm still probably on 95% eye test guy at heart
 
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Marner could learn a couple things from a player like Kucherov....similar styles but Kuch can be a prick and has a little nasty in him. Would take Mitch to the next level imo.

If Mitch was smart he would start working on his shot this summer. Marner with a good shot would be more dangerous than one who gives cheapshots, although maybe that wouldn't hurt when the situation called for it either.
 
Always be careful with data.

It's only meant to be used in conjunction with other tools, and should never be the whole picture when analyzing a player or a game.

In my world, more data is good.
It helps to expand the picture or clear up some fuzzy areas of detail.

What advanced stats can't do, is paint the whole picture.


so a player had 14 shots on goal, that's great.
Where were they from, what type or shot, was he alone or were there others around who had better shots available, etc.

That he had 14 shots is a statistic.
The context of those 14 shots is important.




Take Kyper with a mountain of salt.
I've always had him in the same category as Simmons, Cox, Feschuck, and even the older Toronto Sun columnists...out for attention and clicks/reads.



I'd be shocked if they didn't help author this to be honest.

I've heard that the teams have access to much much more detail than we do.

They have shift by shift data, not just big picture stuff.
On TNT I think it was Hank and Biz talked about analytics teams use and they use it to design plays and defend plays.

ThbLeafs made a conscious resisting to start dumping and chasing late in the FL series. Something must have told them to do it.
Maybe they’ll find a way to fix the PP in the playoffs.
 
Just the sheer gall of this.

Why would a person born in California and raised in Arizona love the Leafs?

Not a hypothetical question, honestly curious as to why you'd expect him to.

I can think of a bunch of reasons, but I'm curious why you would.

As for signing now vs after June 30.....

The CBA specifically prohibits it from happening.
No player contract may be signed unless he is a free agent, or has less than 1 year left on his contract.
The season starts July 1, so that is the absolute earliest possible date for him to sign.

You will not hear of a deal m
ade, verbally, in writing, or as a wink wink. It would put the whole organization in a world of shit.


As for Larry.

Matthews is a player on the team. He's a big piece, but ultimately just a player.

Larry has a myriad other things to worry about that will have significantly more impact on his life than whether Matthews signs a CBA-circumventing deal with the Leafs.


Good f***ing Lord with this fanbase.
Just curious, can you what he said? He wants to stay.
My response is prove it, sign a new contract, NOW!
Not true about a world of shiiit. They can agree and even say so, they just cannot sign.

Dubas had a deal in place for goodness sake.

Larry....your bestie? Look, if you are an owner and you can lose an asset that large for duck poop, you better be interested. If you think he us not, you are living in a dream world.
Do you not think he had a role in Shanny announcement, of course he did. Even Dubas wanted to avoid the trade approval process which included the board,, Burke said the same thing. Your man Larry is never never too busy to be involved. Maybe you just don't know how real business is done.

Good f***ing Lord, some people in this fanbase!
 
CRA is going after baseball star Bautista for back taxes.

For the silly people who think that there is some easy loopholes to make up for the no state tax in us states
 
Just curious, can you what he said? He wants to stay.
My response is prove it, sign a new contract, NOW!
Not true about a world of shiiit. They can agree and even say so, they just cannot sign.

Dubas had a deal in place for goodness sake.

Larry....your bestie? Look, if you are an owner and you can lose an asset that large for duck poop, you better be interested. If you think he us not, you are living in a dream world.
Do you not think he had a role in Shanny announcement, of course he did. Even Dubas wanted to avoid the trade approval process which included the board,, Burke said the same thing. Your man Larry is never never too busy to be involved. Maybe you just don't know how real business is done.

Good f***ing Lord, some people in this fanbase!
You know he can sign the contract date it july 1 and leafs file it july 1... it just would be offcial until then
 
He shouldn't have had to match up with Tkachuk in the first place. Very few players would have done to Marner what Tkachuk did there, it was more playful than anything IMO.
Playful or not (not IMO, I don’t think he plays around in the playoffs), you simply cannot let someone jab you in the face 3 times and fake-laugh while looking longingly at the ref praying for him to save you. This is especially true when you’re supposed to be one of the captains of this sinking ship.
 
If Mitch was smart he would start working on his shot this summer. Marner with a good shot would be more dangerous than one who gives cheapshots, although maybe that wouldn't hurt when the situation called for it either.

lt's hard to work on your shot at the lake.
 
Playful or not (not IMO, I don’t think he plays around in the playoffs), you simply cannot let someone jab you in the face 3 times and fake-laugh while looking longingly at the ref praying for him to save you. This is especially true when you’re supposed to be one of the captains of this sinking ship.
What do you propose he do?
 
But he doesn't have the necessary until July 1.
If I was gm, no contract by June 22, I start calling teams, like Arizona.
AM does not want to go to a loser like Arizona, so sign up or go to the bottom.
I'm sorry but you make it sound far more simplistic than it actually is.

Just in this example, in what world do you think Arizona is going to pony up a $7.2M bonus on July 1? :biglaugh:
 
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