ULF_55
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Are you saying he's 3rd. in points per game, but only 7th. in overall points?
Does someone need to explain this?
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Does someone need to explain this?
nuck
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He isn't a leader in the metric of ppg or in the metric of overall points so not a leading offensive producer. Whats missing?
ULF_55
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Obviously not understanding that being 7th. in scoring on a team doesn't mean anything if you ignore how many games are involved.
Your comment:. "7th best on the team in actual points isn't top production for the defending MVP."
That's is so base.
nuck
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Base? My original post said he he wasn't a top offensive producer on the club this year. The language was specific because I was talking about how the streak wasn't generating a massive scoring pace, not how talented he was.
You can be a leader in ppg or in total points like how Barkey and others were ahead of Cowan last year but he was still MVP. Agree that being 7th in scoring doesn't mean anything if you are talking about talent, but that wasn't what I said. Sorry I wasn't clear.
Folignos Helmet
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A team who can't score, has the leading goal scorer in the AHL, and he isn't some vet down there playing out his years, and you don't give him a shot, and in an offensive role, seems a bit odd. We have 5+ passengers up front right now.
Bring Steeves up and play him with AM or JT when back in the top 6 and give him a solid 10 games to try and show he can play.
Bring Steeves up and play him with AM or JT when back in the top 6 and give him a solid 10 games to try and show he can play.
SprDaVE
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They called up Greb and haven't played him yet just to make sure they keep plugging Reaves into the lineup. Still no smoke about solidifying the center spot either. Not sure they have any sort of of ambition to call-up the AHL leading scorer, who did well in his stint early this season to be honest. At least Minten is getting good reps but he's been really quiet.
Steeves is gonna likely move on this summer and we'll have an amazing time for the next 5 years dissecting why he never got a shot to play over Reaves and whatever else. I'm sure Dubas will get blamed for it somehow.
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ULF_55
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Domi - do we even know what position he is good at?
Anyway, Steeves must be doing something right, but it does really seem his opportunities will be with another team. Would not doubt that once Berube decides on a player it doesn't matter.
Namikaze Minato
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Up to 7 goals, 11 points in 7 games for Flint since the trade. Looking like a good fit so far.
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uncleben
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Namikaze Minato
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Oh I missed that news, interesting that they are still keeping Grebenkin up but haven't played him yet.
LaPlante94
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I believe they said they are just keeping him up so he can collect an NHL paycheque. I feel like they do this quite a bit during the year for some of the prospects.
BertCorbeau
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Nice to see McCue’s D+1 production grow nicely
Another 7th rounder from last year’s draft, Nathan Mayes, has surpassed last year’s production in half the number of games. 3G, 17 points in 34 games … had 16 points in 68 games last night.
Box score watching tracks well
Another 7th rounder from last year’s draft, Nathan Mayes, has surpassed last year’s production in half the number of games. 3G, 17 points in 34 games … had 16 points in 68 games last night.
Box score watching tracks well
Namikaze Minato
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Namikaze Minato
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This is why even 7th rounders have at least some value.
Namikaze Minato
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Our last 3 7th round picks to actually play NHL games were Engvall, Johansson and Loov. Maybe we should focus on Swedes in the 7th haha.
ULF_55
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Namikaze Minato
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Both 7th rounders as well! Though, Canadian Andrew MacWilliam was a 7th rounder who breaks the streak haha.
Edit: And Chad Rau was also from the Stralman 7th rounder to play 'some games'.
notDatsyuk
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Both 7th round. Komarov and White were 6th.
We do (or did) occasionally make some good later picks.
ULF_55
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AlienWorkShop
No, Ben! No!
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All hail Thommie Bergman!
A reminder of this article from last year where Kloke finally managed to secure an interview with him:The legend of Thommie Bergman: Meet the Maple Leafs scout who drafted Nylander and more. Still listed as a scout, but sadly a sign that he's finally winding it down...
Specifically credited with Steen (24), Rask (21), Stralman (216), Gunnarsson (194), Engvall (188), Komarov (180), Stalberg (161), Johnsson (202), and Nylander (8).
Doesn’t say if he was a major factor in picking Grundstrom (57, now at 271 NHL games), Liljegren (17), Sandin, or Holmberg (156).
For balance, assuming he would’ve had some say in any Swedish/Finnish pick, Granberg (116, 45 NHL games) and Timashov (125, 45 NHL games) were ok picks, while Dahlberg (173), Brodin (146), Loov (209, games, 4 NHL games), Nilsson (100), Lindgren (95), Loponen (204), Rindell (177), and Miettinen (168) were misses.
Still an excellent hit rate!
More recently (and the article doesn't mention them), Niemala, Hirvonen, and Kokkonen, are, let’s say TBD… Hildeby looking good, 2024’s Johansson looking like he’s made solid progress.
Reading it again, interesting that he really pushed for drafting Nylander. #8 is a ‘high’ pick, but certainly nothing guaranteed. I recalled many pushing for Ritchie at the time, but says the internal debate was Nylander vs Ehlers, who would’ve worked out fine too… (I think also nailing it with Marner at #4 in 2015 and Rielly at #5 in 2012 is an underrated part of why our rebuild was relatively quick, avoiding Ducks/Sabres-like purgatory)
TheDoldrums
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Didn’t really think Danford had a great game which is why I didn’t follow up lol. Oshawa got blown out 6-1 by a bad Guelph team. He missed on a big hit attempt as the Guelph player evaded him. Had a couple bad attempted breakout passes. Had one nice rush at one point but overall didn’t flash much offensively. He’s never going to be the type that wows you because of the nature of his game and the whole team was off but yeah, wasn’t a great showing.
