News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[egd27]

What McDavid did was unprecedented. It should not be the expectation, and not doing so does not make somebody greedy or a loser.

I never called him greedy or a loser.

Those "raw accumulated points" were not in post-signing seasons, they were their ELC numbers.

Would love to know what metrics you used to come up with your opinion that "that Matthews was way, way, way, way closer to McDavid than Eichel through their respective pre-signing periods" since accumulated points are so irrelevant.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

He's all but signed

 

[Dekes For Days]

Those "raw accumulated points" were not in post-signing seasons, they were their ELC numbers.

You included post-signing data. McDavid and Eichel signed after their 2nd ELC year, and Matthews signed halfway through his 3rd.

Would love to know what metrics you used to come up with your opinion that "that Matthews was way, way, way, way closer to McDavid than Eichel through their respective pre-signing periods"

5v5 P/60
McDavid - 2.83
Matthews - 2.63
Eichel - 1.60

5v5 P1/60
Matthews - 2.27
McDavid - 2.18
Eichel - 1.26

PP P/60
Matthews - 6.47
McDavid - 6.44
Eichel - 6.30

PP P1/60
Matthews - 5.06
Eichel - 4.76
McDavid - 3.61

I imagine that you'll respond with the idea that we need to ignore literally all context and more representative metrics and rely entirely on points per game (where Matthews would be in the middle instead of massively closer to McDavid), but before making that argument, you should know that McDavid is the historical outlier by points per game, not Matthews. And the difference between their points per game was entirely secondary assists. They had identical primary points per game. And in fact, Matthews' pace when he signed in his 3rd season was the same as McDavid's most recent pace when he signed.

 

[pcruz]

I never called him greedy or a loser.

Those "raw accumulated points" were not in post-signing seasons, they were their ELC numbers.

Would love to know what metrics you used to come up with your opinion that "that Matthews was way, way, way, way closer to McDavid than Eichel through their respective pre-signing periods" since accumulated points are so irrelevant.

Matthews had 8 less goals scored after his rookie season, than Eichel had.
Jack played an extra season by that time....

Eichel had 73 goals, 177 points over his ELC.
Matthews has 111 goals, 205 points over 3 years.

 

[Menzinger]

The problem with the whole "he doesn't deserve to be the highest paid player" stuff ignores that the cap is constantly rising - and in the history of the cap era have guys have always pushed the upper limits

At one point people couldn't get over guys like Perry and Getzlaf signing 8x8 deals. Now such contracts seem antiquated for star players

 

[Canadian Finn]

just cause the cap is rising doesn't mean Matthews deserves anything close to the highest paid player.

but "deserves" and "matthews" are not spoken in the same breath.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

If it is indeed, a 5 year extension, he gave the leafs all his prime years. He clearly wants to be here and enjoys playing as a leaf. The narrative that he just wants to leave, because he's american needs to die.

But, that doesn't mean he'll win anything here. LOL

 

[Leafblooded]

What the f*** dude

That's not realistic at all. Markstrom is a borderline cap dump, Hanifan is a rental. Tofolli is a good 2nd-3rd liner.

This is what the news I read said is the proposal. I am equally wtfing, sorry I thought it had gone more public

Maple Leafs & Flames Could Make Major Trade Involving Matthews - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

If the Toronto Maple Leafs can't get an extension done with Auston Matthews, there's potential to trade him to the Calgary Flames.

thehockeywriters.com

 

[Leaf Rocket]

This is what the news I read said is the proposal. I am equally wtfing, sorry I thought it had gone more public

Maple Leafs & Flames Could Make Major Trade Involving Matthews - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

If the Toronto Maple Leafs can't get an extension done with Auston Matthews, there's potential to trade him to the Calgary Flames.

thehockeywriters.com

basically add leafs and matthews in the title cook up something and it'll get the clicks.

 

[Stephen]

The problem with the whole "he doesn't deserve to be the highest paid player" stuff ignores that the cap is constantly rising - and in the history of the cap era have guys have always pushed the upper limits

At one point people couldn't get over guys like Perry and Getzlaf signing 8x8 deals. Now such contracts seem antiquated for star players

The biggest team in the league paying a top 5 star player Auston Matthews the biggest contract in the game in an otherwise Mickey Mouse league is the price of doing business. There's a marquee franchise x star player factor at play. For the organization there's a trade off between having a less than efficient cap structure in Bettmanomics, but they profit handsomely in hockey related revenue in the real world. I get it, I accept it. But I don't think it can ever be rationalized as good cap value or something that will be amortized over time.

If Matthews got the same contract on contract 3 as contract 2, he would still be appropriately paid. David Pastrnak still has to look up to see $11.6 million, and he just surpassed Matthews career best.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Vegas also got to play a Florida team after they had a 10 day break and the goalie that had single-handedly carried them lost all their momentum.

Momentum only exists within games.

 

[supermann_98]

No way Matthews should be getting any ridiculous AAV and all the clauses like dubas gave both him and marner. not anymore. If he wants that he can go ask for it from another franchise. We are not going to freakin' run a player friendly charity. You play for the Leafs here.

Agree with everything you posted and you'd like to think a franchise such as the Leafs can get guys to buy in but Shanny pretty much said what you said bolded above and Dubas went ahead and not only set the market, he significantly overpaid when compared to the Point, Rantanen, Aho contracts just to name a few.

 

[PromisedLand]

Agree with everything you posted and you'd like to think a franchise such as the Leafs can get guys to buy in but Shanny pretty much said what you said bolded above and Dubas went ahead and not only set the market, he significantly overpaid when compared to the Point, Rantanen, Aho contracts just to name a few.

Yup remember that. There was a thread up here discussing how "shanahan is out of touch with reality" or something to that effect.

3 guys with freakin' 10+ AAV on the team has really effed us big time. I don't think there is any other team in the league with such distribution. Leafs were the first to do it and the dude that did it; had a pretend acting in front of the media "you won't see me pop up anywhere, its not in me" and then BOOM . Freakin' hyprocrite lol

 

[Stephen]

Agree with everything you posted and you'd like to think a franchise such as the Leafs can get guys to buy in but Shanny pretty much said what you said bolded above and Dubas went ahead and not only set the market, he significantly overpaid when compared to the Point, Rantanen, Aho contracts just to name a few.

If you want the Leafs to be a fiscal tight wad I think you'd have buzz cut the program and start over with a new crop and just play ultra hardball from day one, next era and go full Spartan with the entire operation.

The problem I see isn't individual Leafs players wanting unprecedented salaries. It's the fact that the Leafs are like one of a handful of Premier League teams stuck in Major League Soccer economics in Gary Bettman's hard cap league.

I would assume Leafs and Raptors are neck and neck when it comes to generating revenue, but a guy like Auston Matthews would be making less than Chris Boucher across the hall. The league is a joke.

These are the salaries of Toronto Raptors players

Hoopshype salaries of Toronto Raptors players

hoopshype.com

 

[BrannigansLaw]

He’s going to take us to the cleaners I imagine and the usual people on here will praise him for it.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I wish the Leafs had more self-respect as an organization.

Getting manhandled in negotiations seems like something a low-budget team would do.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Makar had a much bigger impact than MacKinnon in their playoff run and is why he won the Conn Smythe (MacK finished 3rd in points on his team, but, he did have the most goals)
Colorado was led by Makar the entire playoffs, MacKinnon was a beneficiary.

Drais hasnt led his team to anything yet, expect an extra round in the weaker conference.

drai hasn't lead anything. He's been lead. To a Hart and multiple 50 goal seasons. He's a 70 point center if playing top d every night and not having mcd sneak on his line/pp.

#facts

 

[ToDavid]

Media starting to walk back the obscene contract nonsense.

 

[BallardEra]

Media starting to walk back the obscene contract nonsense.

This was the same guy who suggested the Leafs should/wanted to buy out Brodie.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Momentum only exists within games.

That's not even close to true. Hot and cold stretches are a universally acknowledged thing in hockey and pretty much every sport in existence.

 

[ORRFForever]

Matthews leaves money, beyond a token amount, on the table...

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Gabriel426]

Believe it when I see it. Him leaving money for the table could be not taking 15mil.

 

[Atomos2]

Media starting to walk back the obscene contract nonsense.

I'll wait and see what the contract is. Till then it's just talk, But first glance seems promising.

 

[Trapper]

Believe it when I see it. Him leaving money for the table could be not taking 15mil.

Should have done it last time on an 8 year deal when Tavares had gas in the legs and Nylander made 6.9.

Solid.

 

[KMNRB]

This was the same guy who suggested the Leafs should/wanted to buy out Brodie.

Listening to Seravalli, he's just guessing after hearing Friedman's 13M speculation.

At the same time, it's not a bad guess. I always wonder, why wouldn't even a greedy Leaf star think this way, given the amount of sponsorship an athlete can get. Just imagine, if he is getting 3.5 million a year from sponsorship now, he will get 10 million if we win the cup. And he'd get endorsement for his entire lifetime. If he leaves say for LA, he may get 1 mil only. Why would even a greedy superstar want to leave such a crazy hockey market, in spite of higher tax?

It makes no sense that we need to dish out premium to our (no-longer young) stars when guys like Dubois who got Winnipeg a ton in the trade still only signed for only 8 X 8.5 mil (whereas Nylander is said to ask for at least a 9 mil cap but likely won't fetch as much on the trade market).