News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets
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ACC1224
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Makar had a much bigger impact than MacKinnon in their playoff run and is why he won the Conn Smythe (MacK finished 3rd in points on his team, but, he did have the most goals)
Colorado was led by Makar the entire playoffs, MacKinnon was a beneficiary.
Drais hasnt led his team to anything yet, expect an extra round in the weaker conference.
It is standard for a player of Matthews' caliber to get what they're worth, with bonuses and trade protections.
We don't know what Matthews' UFA term will be, but in terms of his last contract, 5 years is a very common term for the top tier of post-ELC contracts.
You do know that his full term lowered his AAV, not raised it, right? Not sure why you're acting like Mackinnon gave up something by locking in a huge salary for his age 35 season.
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There was absolutely no reason that Matthews shouldn’t have been signed between Eichel (10) and McDavid (12) for 8 years.
Now we are looking at paying the same core more (who struggle in the playoffs) and building a team UFA much like the Kessel teams of yesterday around them.
Matthews got a contract that would put him between Eichel (13.33%) and McDavid (17.67%, with a discount given to 16.67%) on an 8 year term. Some people just refuse to accept that Matthews was way, way, way, way closer to McDavid than Eichel through their respective pre-signing periods, and as an already competitive team, we, like many teams before us, opted for 5 years to leave more space to keep everybody and build around them.
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That weaker conference has won the last 2 SCs and Oilers have lost to both those two SC winners. We lose to the SC finalists.
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Vegas deserved it this year,
Colorado got lucky that TB was decimated by injuries by the time the finals came around, and 2 wins were in OT, with the rest all 1 goal games. ...they won, but, it isnt like they dominated TB
Vegas also got to play a Florida team after they had a 10 day break and the goalie that had single-handedly carried them lost all their momentum.
No denying Makar was great but to think if AM and Mack switched spot, Avs would still win is a huge stretch.
Just bc Mack is a better player than AM, it doesn’t mean AM is a bad player.
If Matthews replaced Mackinnon, they would have been even more likely to win, since Matthews is a better player than Mackinnon.
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How do you think a 13.6m x 8 years deal would have looked for Matthews after McDavid took 12.5m x 8 ??
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Most would agree that Mackinnon is better than Matthews.
If they switched teams do you see the Leafs winning more with Mackinnon?
What Matthews actually would have got on a 8 year term, in the mid-16% range, would have been appropriate, and it would have slotted him below both McDavid's negotiated value (17.67%) and the discounted contract he gave (16.67%), by an amount consistent with the difference between their pre-signing periods.
By "some people", do you mean people that believe 63 and 73 are closer to 57 and 64 than they are to 100 and 108? Or is this one of those instances when only goals matter?
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the eichel matthews comparisons need to stop. eichel is a warrior. returned from a career threatening injury and put together a conn smythe worthy performance to lead his team to an emphatic cup win.
matthews can't even score a goal in the second round, which he could only will his team to once in his career.
they are not the same. huge gap in heart, competitiveness, and ability to perform when it actually matters.
matthews can't even score a goal in the second round, which he could only will his team to once in his career.
they are not the same. huge gap in heart, competitiveness, and ability to perform when it actually matters.
Yes I do. Not bc of the style they played bc AM is more a shooter and Mack is pretty much Willie on steroids. But their mentality. Maybe only ROR had Mack’s mentality none of our Leafs had Mack’s mentality. The mentality that let’s do it, no excuses, put your head down and compete. And all that includes off season and off ice training plus what you eat. I think some player mentioned Mack is a bit of an a**hole when it comes to what other eats and stuff…
On top of that, when guys like Mack, Sid, McD and Drai lose, they are often piss and not just disappointed. That’s something that the Leafs lacked. Here is why, being piss after a loss usually mean you knew you were close and it was right there but you are piss at missing opportunity. Being disappointed usually means you never believe you could do it in the first place or you know there is a shot but that’s about it.
Take my son for example, he is piss after this weekend bc he came 2nd in the Provincial competition bc he knew he had the other guy but he made an error that cost him points.
But the tournament before that he was disappointed he finished in the quarterfinals bc he was fighting a weight class above him and knew he won’t get to the podium from the start.
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how come greedy matthews will never consider a discounted contract. so greedy and because of his greed he's a loser.
he's like some greek or biblical tale for the sin of greed and its consequences.
There are no instances where "only goals matter", and yeah, there probably is a lot of overlap of people who look exclusively at raw accumulated points in irrelevant post-signing seasons without even the most basic context or even games played to determine contract valuation and people who refuse to accept that Matthews was way closer to McDavid and his contract is consistent with history.
What McDavid did was unprecedented. It should not be the expectation, and not doing so does not make somebody greedy or a loser.
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You and Dubas are the reason we are here. Well mostly Dubas. Between 10 and 12 is over Eichel and closer to McDavid.
This kind of acceptance thinking and we are so much better/different and subject to different rules have led to 1 playoff win in 7.
GM is also responsible to be fiscally smart and built and entire team best for the organization with term and support. Not max for a few years and max again.
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Yes I do. Not bc of the style they played bc AM is more a shooter and Mack is pretty much Willie on steroids. But their mentality. Maybe only ROR had Mack’s mentality none of our Leafs had Mack’s mentality. The mentality that let’s do it, no excuses, put your head down and compete. And all that includes off season and off ice training plus what you eat. I think some player mentioned Mack is a bit of an a**hole when it comes to what other eats and stuff…
On top of that, when guys like Mack, Sid, McD and Drai lose, they are often piss and not just disappointed. That’s something that the Leafs lacked. Here is why, being piss after a loss usually mean you knew you were close and it was right there
I'm not the one thinking we're subject to different rules. I understand that we're subject to the same rules as everybody else, and even though as a fan I'd love to get super discounts on everybody, I accept that just like everybody else, our players will get what they've earned, and if you have really good players, you're going to have to pay them a lot. Whereas some people seem to be only willing to accept huge discounts for the contracts to be acceptable.
The kind of impatient thinking that makes one want to blow this team up and lose some of the best players this franchise has ever seen over paying them their worth would be straight from the playbook that has led this franchise to a cup drought of over half a century.
Are you suggesting that a player who is significantly better defensively, more physical and scores goals at a significantly higher rate, is better?
Thats a bold statement!!!
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