News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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Here's the Forbes top 10 earners from Fall 2022 for comparison. It wont be all, but gives you an idea where they land. Marner is likely on the 2021 and 2020 list, same with Tavares.


I guess my point stands. look at the 'off-ice' earnings for Matthews on that list compared to his peers. thats top dollar that gets paid because he is a toronto maple leaf. on any other team he doesn't get that.

Marner made 3 million in off-ice endorsements in 2021; no way he made less this last season esepcially since he signed new deals with skip the dishes
 
The Leafs should offer Matthews a concrete 8 year @ $12.7 mil deal making him the highest paid player in the NHL, and then leak that news to James Mirtle, Chris Johnston and Jonas Siegel for them to report on it.

Then lets watch the Matthews/agent response and future actions and the forum up public opinion among the fan base decide where they stand.
 
Ovechkin signed for 19% in his prime, that is like Matthews asking for 15.5 million, seems greedy, especially with Ovi's endorsements.
Wasn't it a 12 or 13 year deal? If so, that wouldn't make the 19% that big a deal because it slowly decreased over time percentage wise to the point that the last 5yrs have been a down right bargain. Same with Sid.
 
I guess my point stands. look at the 'off-ice' earnings for Matthews on that list compared to his peers. thats top dollar that gets paid because he is a toronto maple leaf. on any other team he doesn't get that.

Marner made 3 million in off-ice endorsements in 2021; no way he made less this last season esepcially since he signed new deals with skip the dishes
AM is third on that list after winning a Hart. Most numbers for Marner i saw were in the 1-3M range. Im sure our exposure bumps it up, but it feels like a 2x Richard winner is getting paid in most markets. Marner likely benefits the most IMO
 
The Leafs should offer Matthews a concrete 8 year @ $12.7 mil deal making him the highest paid player in the NHL, and then leak that news to James Mirtle, Chris Johnston and Jonas Siegel for them to report on it.

Then lets watch the Matthews/agent response and future actions and the forum up public opinion among the fan base decide where they stand.

Agree completely. But I wonder if he just doesn't give a shit about what the market thinks which is a strength to being able to play here but also sucks
 
Third on the list after winning a Hart. Most number for Marner i saw were ij the 1-2M range. Im sure our exposure bumps it up, but it feels like a 2x Richard winner is getting paid in most markets
SOURCE: 5. Mitchell Marner

Compare Marner to his peers in off-ice earnings (2021). Matthews made 3.5 million in 2021 and 3 million in 2022.

Being a maple leaf I am sure they get paid even more in off-ice earnings than what Forbes is reporting; besides the other perks they get by being a leaf. private jet to fly to games, top notch hotels, excellent facitilities for health and nutrition, health science that only helps their on ice performance all free of charge. Where would they get this in other markets?




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SOURCE: 5. Mitchell Marner

Compare Marner to his peers in off-ice earnings (2021). Matthews made 3.5 million in 2021 and 3 million in 2022.

Being a maple leaf I am sure they get paid even more in off-ice earnings than what Forbes is reporting; besides the other perks they get by being a leaf. private jet to fly to games, top notch hotels, excellent facitilities for health and nutrition, health science that only helps their on ice performance all free of charge. Where would they get this in other markets?




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Yeah, i was in the process of updating when i saw the 2.7, so I updated
 
The only thing I still strongly disagree with is this notion that Tavares left money on the table to play in Toronto. I mean, did he literally leave money on the table? Sure, considering the Islanders were willing to overpay to keep him from walking for nothing in return. As for the comedy act known as the Sharks -- they were so desperate for talent, after offering Tavares more than McDavid and missing out, they severely overpaid for Erik Karlsson, who was coming off injuries.

Regardless of what the hapless Isles and deranged Sharks were willing to pay for Tavares, the Leafs willingly gave him the second largest cap hit in the league behind McDavid. This was ludicrous for a guy who had a career high of 86 points and never won a thing in the NHL. It was especially ludicrous the following summer when Nikita Kucherov re-upped with Bolts for a 9.5 mil cap hit after winning the Hart and scoring 126 points.

To make matters worse, the Tavares contract set the precedent for the young Leafs. It's virtually impossible to convince your young, in-house talent to take less for the good of the team when you just gave an outsider (not named Crosby or Ovechkin) the second largest cap hit in the NHL. Then you bypass your loyal soldiers who were drafted as Leafs and stitched the "C" on his chest.

I'm convinced that persuading Tavares to "come home" and sign for say 9.5 (like Kucherov did) would have set all the dominos in place to secure team-friendly deals with the pups. If he signs for 9.5 then it's easier to get Willy to agree to a 6.25 deal without practically losing a year. If Matthews wants 11.5, you have ammunition to say, "Come on, we just signed a top UFA for 9.5. If Tavares was willing to sacrifice some coin to be a Leaf, how about you? We can make you the highest paid on the team at 10 mil but let's take a bit less and we'll get you some more players so we can win a Cup together." Then, once Matthews takes 10 or so, there's zero chance Marner holds out for 11 million. He likely settles for a hair below Tavares at 9, which was fair for him.

If you add up those savings, we're talking 6+ million of cap flexibility to surround the core with better depth pieces to make some runs. And what would it really have cost those players? Tavares would still be making Kucherov money and M&M would both be making more than Leon Draisaitl. In fact, Marner would have just about signed for then what Matt Tkachuk just signed for last summer. All of those contracts were outlandish then, and more so now, and they all started with the Tavares deal.

Not really / necessarily.

It's important to remember / consider, that at the time Tavares signed, there was still a fairly widespread understanding amongst players that "you have to wait" for your 3rd contract to really cash in, or do an 8-year deal... there was a marked difference between the "value" of RFA years and UFA years.

The problem was / is twofold.... #1 being that they didn't "place bets" on any of Nylander, Matthews or Marner before they broke out. This is especially true for Nylander & Marner.

Nylander you could have negotiated with as a guy who had a shade over 100 NHL games experience....instead waiting for him to repeat the performance in year 3, and cement himself as a guy that is going to get you at least 60 points. Marner the most offensive, where instead of betting on the guy who put up a couple of seasons at 61 points, you go and get him the perfect goal-scoring centreman in John Tavares, so that he puts up 94.

The second problem, is that they couldn't get Matthews to "buy into" the concept that it seems every other player in the league had no problem buying into -- being that you either wait for your 3rd contract (which is largely UFA years) or you sign for 8 years if you want to get the big AAV.

Had the Leafs been able to convince Matthews to "buy into" that concept, or made the call to bet on Marner before he suits up alongside Tavares, the $11m cap hit would have been a non-issue.

Nylander eventually settled at $7m. I see no reason why you couldn't have gone to Marner and locked him up for 6+ years at $8 - $8.5m given their similar productivity. Get Matthews to buy into the concept of "you're 95% of McDavid" on a 7-8 year deal, have COVID not happen, and the Leafs would be laughing from a cap perspective.
 
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holy shit just saw Jesper Bratt deal. WTF thats a freakin' steal of a contract. 7 UFA years bought and cap hit under 8 million. Dubas is the biggest piece of trash that has ever worked for the Leafs. nobody will ever change my mind

Wait so now signing small 70 point wingers that disappear in the playoffs to big money is a good thing? What are his arguments for making more money, his peak so far is a 30/40 player as the 3rd wheel on his line.
 
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Exactly. They are essentially able to double dip in Toronto. They get literally top dollar salary and extra market perks like you posted here. Of course they won't give a discount but watch when you threaten to trade, the agent will squirm because Marner means nothing in the US markets and Matthews means nothing to 1000 fans in AZ.

Both Marner and Matthews would take 7 figure hits leaving Toronto.
This post I am making is more so for players living in Canada most of the time. They get paid in US salary too. I think sometimes people forget.

Imagine a guy like Matthews/McDavid, etc make 14 M US. That is 18.5M CDN PER YEAR lol. Add another 2M+ CDN for endorsements? These guys can make 20 Million per year CDN

Being a player who lives in Canada is a great benefit. You are making an extra 3.5-3.8 M gross per 10 mill,
 
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How can you not be embarrassed to be a fan right now with our management overpaying these bums over and over and refusing to make any changes
I’m not embarrassed. I didn’t sign them to those deals and will have nothing to do with the next contracts either.
I’m just disappointed.
 
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It's mind boggling ownership would even risk losing the face of their franchise.

GM's and coaches are hired to get fired. They're not a rare commodity in the NHL. A 60 goal scoring #1C, now that's a different story.

ML$E is taking a huge gamble with the Matthews extension.

As far as I'm concerned, other than Matthews, everyone from Shanahan on down can pound pavement. Matthews is worth far more to this organization than all those buffoons. It's too bad the opposite will probably occur.

Having watched this team operate for so long, I'm prepared for anything else stupid they can do.

Including lose Matthews.

If gambling on the future of their franchise player doesn't pay off, this team will continue to be the laughing stock of the hockey world for at least another generation.

Deservedly so.
 
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It's mind boggling ownership would even risk losing the face of their franchise.

GM's and coaches are hired to get fired. They're not a rare commodity in the NHL. A 60 goal scoring #1C, now that's a different story.

ML$E is taking a huge gamble with the Matthews extension.

As far as I'm concerned, other than Matthews, everyone from Shanahan on down can pound pavement. Matthews is worth far more to this organization than all those buffoons. It's too bad the opposite will probably occur.

Having watched this team operate for so long, I'm prepared for anything else stupid they can do.

Including lose Matthews.

If gambling on the future of their franchise player doesn't pay off, this team will continue to be the laughing stock of the hockey world for at least another generation.

Deservedly so.

What are they gambling or risking? They can’t sign him to an extension until July 1st and all reports have indicated they intent to quickly try to get a deal done
 
What are they gambling or risking? They can’t sign him to an extension until July 1st and all reports have indicated they intent to quickly try to get a deal done

Thanks for the response.

While I'm glad to see Dubas is gone, I think the transition between GM's was hurried and sloppy.

Matthews probably thinks it was unprofessional too.

Rather than leave Dubas hanging as a lame duck all year and bring someone in to finish the negotiations last minute, they should have made their decision to move on last summer, so the negotiations wouldn't be overshadowed by the change in GM's.

Dubas' replacement (I was pulling for Joyce) should have had the opportunity to see for himself what he could do over the course of a year instead of having Treliving walk into a situation that, for all intents and purposes, is beyond his control.

How Matthews can be thinking to himself "This organization has it all together, I'm going to win a cup here" is beyond me.

Looking at where Dubas landed in Pittsburgh, with all those cups, and you gotta wonder if there is a way his old buddy can squeeze him onto the roster there. I have visions of them putting Malkin on LTIR until the playoffs one year. Letang the next. If that thought hasn't occured to them, it should.

It's a proven strategy to win the cup.
 
What are they gambling or risking? They can’t sign him to an extension until July 1st and all reports have indicated they intent to quickly try to get a deal done

Matthews was also willing to take either a three year bridge, or an eight year extension.

Signing that five year deal with NTC the final year was a gamble in and of itself.
 
I can almost guarantee that the money Leafs recieve for endorsement is a massive dollar amount compared to other guys listed on that list
Without a doubt. Playing in Toronto has always offered the most opportunity to make money outside of hockey, and it's not particiarly close either. Being a Leaf really is a privilege and somehow we ended up with greedy spoiled shitheads who treat this franchise like an ATM machine instead of a hockey team.
 
Well we should hear soon from dreger or EF or one of the other gossip mongers about the mathews and Nylander deals
Boy dubas really got bent over .
 
Thats why Schenn and McCabe were a breath of fresh air....not high end pieces but they had some of those qualities that we havent seen much of in a ling time.
Schenn did much better than I expected with his skating deficiencies, but, McCabe looked great in the first round, then went off the rails vs Florida.
I think he got that one huge hit in, then figured he'd try to lay someone out every shift, and was constantly getting out of position.
Keefe always mixing the pairings doesnt help, as the players cannot get used to each other, or know where they will be, and what their tendencies are when they keep shuffling them around.
even in a set system, you need a consistent partner, especially on defense
 
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Matthews was also willing to take either a three year bridge, or an eight year extension.
Signing that five year deal with NTC the final year was a gamble in and of itself.
All of the potential terms would have been "gambles".
With a 3 year bridge, we would have been re-signing him right after his Rocket/Hart/Lindsay MVP season, and he could have just walked to UFA a year later.
With an 8 year deal, we would have had even less space to surround Matthews and the core through this flat cap.
5 years is a super common post-ELC term for that caliber of player for a reason.
 
Ovechkin signed for 19% in his prime, that is like Matthews asking for 15.5 million, seems greedy, especially with Ovi's endorsements.
Superior player
When Matthews hits and has a statline like this then you can talk. still waiting for matthews to actually hit 100 points btw

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It was also harder to score / get points up until I think it was 2017 when they made some equipment changes etc. Just makes Ovi's accomplishments more impressive really. I think he was a far superior player age for age.
 
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