News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[Gaberd2608]

LV, FLA, TB, DAL, all have significantly less taxes across the board than most, if not all, of the CDN teams.

Those teams have a much easier time attracting talent with team-friendly contracts. The CDN teams will always get hosed in contract negotiations.

Dont cnd players get paid im US funds though? Whats the exchange? Its like another 25-30% more. Surely that offsets any tax burden. Leafs also bring way more endorsement potential then just about every American team.

I can accept a lot of reasons why a player would not want to play for Toronto specifically but I struggle to see how money would ever be the reason.

Imo the biggest deterrent to playing for the Leafs is probably the culture. I am sure ROR was pretty frustrated during his short time here.

If Matthews doesnt want to leaf he should sign am 8 year deal. I know there are pros and cons but people who want to stay sign 8 year deals. Almost every star player signs 8 year deals with their home team except ours. Ours look to maximize earnings. You can never win when your 3 best players will always put their needs before their teammates. As far as i am concerned their contracts cost us Hyman. Out of their 30 million, they could taken 1-1.5 million less each and kept their buddy.

I would love it if BT told them 8 year deals or we move you. They all need to put up or shut up.

 

[VanW27]

Not only were our rfas given more money than their comparables, they also signed for less term, especially Matthews, and they got most of it in signing bonuses and front loaded.

They are, imo, the most player friendly deals in the league.

The flat cap is just an excuse for dubas' awful negotiating.

The flat cap has a small amount of validity in that without Covid years 4/5+ would have likely looked pretty good for the teams cap structure. Of course that ignores the fact the players got the max money, plus front loading, plus NMCs, while only signing for 5 years so the 'good' at the end of the deal was never going to last because they planned on demanding max money again.

Basically if you look at top end forwards they are at their best post ELC through to 31/32. So let's say 8 years (hopefully). By signing 5 year deals we guaranteed we'll be overpaying them for 5 or 6 out of those 8. The first 2 or 3 years of the 5 year deal, then the first 2 or 3 of the next deal, and quite possibly beyond that as their play drops off.

With a flat cap we didn't even get the 2/3 years of good/reasonable cap hit. It will just be overpaid the entire time.

 

[mydnyte]

Actually they do.

One team started from nothing 6 years ago and have 1 cup, 2 finals appearances and many rounds won.

The other team is an O6 and has 1 series win in 20 years.

Its honestly embarrassing.

Even Seattle has the same number of series wins as us in 1/10 the amount of time (2 years vs 20)

So the self deprecating tone really does make sense.

Oh please ...Vegas got to cherry pick a ton of assets, and design the team exactly how they wanted it, and with the cap hit they wanted.
Truth be told, they also made a ton of mistakes and could have drafted a much better team too.
That gave them tons of cap space also that the used, and then were completely ruthless on signings and trades.

Trades prior to the expansion draft
Anaheim traded (D) Shea Theodore to Vegas for expansion draft considerations (i.e., so Vegas would draft Clayton Stoner)

Columbus traded its 2017 1st-round pick (No. 24 overall), its 2019 second-round pick (No. 50 overall) and the contract of (F) David Clarkson for expansion draft considerations (William Karlsson).

Florida traded (F) Reilly Smith for Vegas’ 2018 fourth-round pick (No. 123 overall) and expansion draft considerations (Jonathan Marchessault).

Minnesota traded (F) Alex Tuch for a conditional third-round pick (No. 92 overall in 2018) and draft considerations (Erik Haula).

Pittsburgh traded its 2020 second-round pick (No. 46 overall) for expansion draft considerations (Marc-Andre Fleury).

teams were so unready for that expansions, they helped build Vegas and actually paid them players/picks to take important pieces
The Florida one is just golden.
If Toronto got an expansion team, it could easily compete for a Cup in a short time, because it would be designed from the ground up exactly how you wanted, and have all the Cap space it needs to fill out the pieces it doesnt get via expansion draft.

ReBuilding an existing team around the miracle lucky drafted player is really hard because you cant just unload all your own players/contracts and cherry pick players that suit the style you want.

 

[Nineteen67]

Maybe Toronto should trade Matthews for some of the same heart-and-soul players from Florida you guys were admiring so fondly a few weeks ago.

You know, those Florida players always show up for big games.
They wouldn't get clowned like Matthews and company.
They go down swinging, kicking and screaming!!!



Bahahaa.....the fairweather fans in Toronto are just great judges of character and ability.

They played with broken bones.

 

[Nineteen67]

You're assuming Auston is watching tonight's game.

He’s one of the few players that actually watch the playoffs in the past.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Would you do JT for Doughty with money retained on Doughty?

Their cap hits are the same, basically. Can't see the retention making too much of a difference, plus Doughty's is for 2 extra years.

 

[Trapper]

Would you do JT for Doughty with money retained on Doughty?

If you could get Tavares to waive, I would make a trade for Doughty.
Then I would move one of Marner or Nylander and design the top 2 lines around the 2 remaining.

1. Matthews line
2. Marner/Nylander line

1. Doughty pair
2. Rielly pair

1. Platoon G.

 

[Nineteen67]

If you could get Tavares to waive, I would make a trade for Doughty.
Then I would move one of Marner or Nylander and design the top 2 lines around the 2 remaining.

1. Matthews line
2. Marner/Nylander line

1. Doughty pair
2. Rielly pair

1. Platoon G.

Too much to do in one year, I’d avoid Doughty or any other older players on more than one year contracts.

 

[thewave]

If you could get Tavares to waive, I would make a trade for Doughty.
Then I would move one of Marner or Nylander and design the top 2 lines around the 2 remaining.

1. Matthews line
2. Marner/Nylander line

1. Doughty pair
2. Rielly pair

1. Platoon G.

That would work. Rather the two goal scorers though. Marner basically cant even take faceoffs.

 

[Captain Crunch]

The flat cap has a small amount of validity in that without Covid years 4/5+ would have likely looked pretty good for the teams cap structure. Of course that ignores the fact the players got the max money, plus front loading, plus NMCs, while only signing for 5 years so the 'good' at the end of the deal was never going to last because they planned on demanding max money again.

Basically if you look at top end forwards they are at their best post ELC through to 31/32. So let's say 8 years (hopefully). By signing 5 year deals we guaranteed we'll be overpaying them for 5 or 6 out of those 8. The first 2 or 3 years of the 5 year deal, then the first 2 or 3 of the next deal, and quite possibly beyond that as their play drops off.

With a flat cap we didn't even get the 2/3 years of good/reasonable cap hit. It will just be overpaid the entire time.

From MLSE on down to Dubas, therein lies the blame. To me, it will always be "what could have been" with this team. Those contracts, along with signing JT, are what has doomed this team for the past 5 years. They have consistently proven that they are unable to play with grit, determination, and passion in the playoffs!

 

[Trapper]

That would work. Rather the two goal scorers though. Marner basically cant even take faceoffs.

Sign O’Reilly if he wants to stay. Then if you are trading Nylander, get a F and D.

Knies-Matthews-New F from Nylander.
?-O’Reilly-Marner
? Can be Bertuzzi,Zucker,Patches,etc from the UFA market.

New D from Nylander-Doughty
Rielly-

 

[WillNy29]

Not literally of course. That's the spin.

Can you remind me what settlement balances are?

my friend every country on earth is in debt and no one is going to pay the pied piper lol CPI just came down in the US but they're having discussions on raising their debt ceiling the world doesn't make sense right now and its because we've let neoliberalism go unchecked. but enough with the politics talks it does nothing but divide us average working class people while the big wigs syphon everything out of the trough lol.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Dont cnd players get paid im US funds though? Whats the exchange? Its like another 25-30% more. Surely that offsets any tax burden. Leafs also bring way more endorsement potential then just about every American team.

I can accept a lot of reasons why a player would not want to play for Toronto specifically but I struggle to see how money would ever be the reason.

Imo the biggest deterrent to playing for the Leafs is probably the culture. I am sure ROR was pretty frustrated during his short time here.

If Matthews doesnt want to leaf he should sign am 8 year deal. I know there are pros and cons but people who want to stay sign 8 year deals. Almost every star player signs 8 year deals with their home team except ours. Ours look to maximize earnings. You can never win when your 3 best players will always put their needs before their teammates. As far as i am concerned their contracts cost us Hyman. Out of their 30 million, they could taken 1-1.5 million less each and kept their buddy.

I would love it if BT told them 8 year deals or we move you. They all need to put up or shut up.

They say a leopard can never change its' spots. I believe the same is true with AM and MM.

 

[yubbers]

my friend every country on earth is in debt and no one is going to pay the pied piper lol CPI just came down in the US but they're having discussions on raising their debt ceiling the world doesn't make sense right now and its because we've let neoliberalism go unchecked. but enough with the politics talks it does nothing but divide us average working class people while the big wigs syphon everything out of the trough lol.

Nice dodge. LOL. I don't understand why ppl run cover for it. They pad for bonds with money they created with a click. And they get to remove it too. So yes...they printed money.

AGreed. Getting off track. Bac to the cap

 

[WillNy29]

Nice dodge. LOL. I don't understand why ppl run cover for it. They pad for bonds with money they created with a click. And they get to remove it too. So yes...they printed money.

but the actual money supply hasn't changed for Ukraine funding? the money was printed for economic stimulus during a once in a lifetime pandemic (which the whole world did). You'd have a point if only we were struggling with inflation but the whole world is and the whole world aint printing money for a war over natural gas deposits in Crimea.

 

[yubbers]

but the actual money supply hasn't changed for Ukraine funding? the money was printed for economic stimulus during a once in a lifetime pandemic (which the whole world did). You'd have a point if only we were struggling with inflation but the whole world is and the whole world aint printing money for a war over natural gas deposits in Crimea.

I thought they didn't print money though?

We must digress. lol. Troll Stomper has me on speed dial

 

[WillNy29]

I thought they didn't print money though?

We must digress. lol. Troll Stomper has me on speed dial

no my bad if you didn't understand what I was saying-->I meant they weren't printing money specifically for the Ukraine conflict as that's what I was replying to initially. Of course they had to print money during the Pandemic but literally everyone on earth had too.

 

[egd27]

If Toronto got an expansion team, it could easily compete for a Cup in a short time, because it would be designed from the ground up exactly how you wanted, and have all the Cap space it needs to fill out the pieces it doesnt get via expansion draft.

You mean like the 2016-17 Leafs could have been before Dubas got his impatient hands on it

 

[mydnyte]

You mean like the 2016-17 Leafs could have been before Dubas got his impatient hands on it

Dubas's biggest mistake(s) were targeting Brodie (and not getting him when Kadri killed the deal) and then actually trading for Barrie which was the opposite type of defender we needed.
Had he gone for a big 2-way type which for Kadri should have been doable, we'd have been in a much better situation now.
our forwards havent ever really been the problem, its always been the defense, but, Dubas also had to unload Zaitsev's bad (LouLam) contract and didnt have a good starting point on D, other than Reilly
Dubas did do a poor job on D though, maybe he believed the crack down on obstruction, and letting the 'stars' actually play BS the league spewed out.

 

[EGL22]

Auction Matthews is all about the money,doesn't care from which team he gets it.
These me contracts that just get him far enough to the next big raise are not the player contracts of Cup winners.
Although the Leafs could easily win it next year because Tree will tell the 3 amigos that there are 3 multi million dollar checks taped to the under bottom of the Cup but they only get them by raising it after winning it.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Time to take a page out of Nylander’s book.
We don’t know (as fans) what we are going to do. We will have to see who stays, what they sign for and how things look from a winning in the playoffs/winning the Cup aspect to determine stay or go. May need a break for a few years until they are all gone.

Yeah may be time for a lot of fans to move on. Dubas left the team in horrible shape as all woke jokes do. Total scorched earth. This group couldn't win if Roy was their goalie. I'm tired of these chain wankers and didn't watch 1 reg season game last year. Dubas is a total idiot and it was obvious to anyone with an IQ above woke joke level. All 4 are pansies and 3 aren't worth what they make. They aren't even close to winning, it's pathetic. If Eichel gets 10 million then we offer Mathews 9 and if he doesn't like it, dump him and Marner then force Tavares into retirement.They might as well start over. Pansies never win cups.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You mean like the 2016-17 Leafs could have been before Dubas got his impatient hands on it

The team Dubas took over in 2018 was certainly not designed exactly how he wanted from the ground up, and the 2017-2018 Leafs were already the highest spending team in the league before Dubas got there, despite half the team - including all their superstars - being on ELCs, so any cap space was going to come from departing players that had to be replaced, and cap anchors that required assets to remove. Not the same situation at all.

 

[egd27]

The team Dubas took over in 2018 was certainly not designed exactly how he wanted from the ground up, and the 2017-2018 Leafs were already the highest spending team in the league before Dubas got there, despite half the team - including all their superstars - being on ELCs, so any cap space was going to come from departing players that had to be replaced, and cap anchors that required assets to remove. Not the same situation at all.

 

[thewave]

You mean like the 2016-17 Leafs could have been before Dubas got his impatient hands on it

Very foolish GM that gets lionized by the media. Its an extremely strange situation. Never thought in a million years I would be witnessing such backwards logic.

 

[myleafs]

Totally agree .the pro RUN BACK THE CORE crowd just wants their leafs sat nite to be more wins than not .
Never win but make gobs of money


Yeah and the guys who gave hometown discounts just warned the leafs that the core 4 was dysfunctional
Maybe dubas left because shanny is the one that is useless

He is gone because he pulled a slimy runaround and tried to stab his boss in the back, the guy who gave him his chance. He didnt leave, he was let go. Good riddance. Lets see how the season plays out before we blame all of Dubas blunders on Shanny.