News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[MCR74]

I think the last playoff games Auston watched were the Leafs vs Florida games.

I'd buy that, given his performance.

 

[myleafs]

Oh please ...Vegas got to cherry pick a ton of assets, and design the team exactly how they wanted it, and with the cap hit they wanted.
Truth be told, they also made a ton of mistakes and could have drafted a much better team too.
That gave them tons of cap space also that the used, and then were completely ruthless on signings and trades.

teams were so unready for that expansions, they helped build Vegas and actually paid them players/picks to take important pieces
The Florida one is just golden.
If Toronto got an expansion team, it could easily compete for a Cup in a short time, because it would be designed from the ground up exactly how you wanted, and have all the Cap space it needs to fill out the pieces it doesnt get via expansion draft.

ReBuilding an existing team around the miracle lucky drafted player is really hard because you cant just unload all your own players/contracts and cherry pick players that suit the style you want.

Downplaying Vegas accomplishments.....

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Very foolish GM that gets lionized by the media. Its an extremely strange situation. Never thought in a million years I would be witnessing such backwards logic.

The media don't care about how good or bad a GM is. They care about access and drama.

A good Maple Leafs team doesn't benefit them, since they are not fans. They loved Dubas presumably because he wasn't a big meanie to them and gave them better access than Lou did, and some other stupid ass factors I won't get into here.

f*** the media. They don't represent anyone on this board, they're simply out to get their own piece of the pie, which is fine as long as one is honest about it...which they are not.

 

[myleafs]

You mean like the 2016-17 Leafs could have been before Dubas got his impatient hands on it

exactly...guys take is weird.

 

[myleafs]

Oh please ...Vegas got to cherry pick a ton of assets, and design the team exactly how they wanted it, and with the cap hit they wanted.
Truth be told, they also made a ton of mistakes and could have drafted a much better team too.
That gave them tons of cap space also that the used, and then were completely ruthless on signings and trades.

teams were so unready for that expansions, they helped build Vegas and actually paid them players/picks to take important pieces
The Florida one is just golden.
If Toronto got an expansion team, it could easily compete for a Cup in a short time, because it would be designed from the ground up exactly how you wanted, and have all the Cap space it needs to fill out the pieces it doesnt get via expansion draft.

ReBuilding an existing team around the miracle lucky drafted player is really hard because you cant just unload all your own players/contracts and cherry pick players that suit the style you want.

lol This has gotta to be right up there with some of the lamest, bitter, nonsensical sour grapes not take responsibility gold standard level of excuses for our failures Ive seen. Like....wow!

 

[mydnyte]

Downplaying Vegas accomplishments.....

not downplaying at all... they were given a great hand, and a leg up on every other team in the league, and then they were completely cut-throat with zero loyalty to any player.
when a player they wanted because available as UFA or via Trade they moved whatever they needed to get them, and then unceremoniously dumped those guys to get even better players
i.e. Suzuki to get Patches, then dump patches to fit Eichel under the cap ...Fleury dumped after being the face of the franchise and single handedly getting them deep into the playoffs because they wanted Lehner to replace him
I'm honoring LV for their ability to not care at all about any players feelings, or loyalty to them. but only to winning

lol This has gotta to be right up there with some of the lamest, bitter, nonsensical sour grapes not take responsibility gold standard level of excuses for our failures Ive seen. Like....wow!

Lol, were you alive when the NJD has their expansion draft ...they couldnt beat an AHL team.
their expansion draft looked more like an ECHL team.
Vegas and Seattle were given golden tickets, that isnt bitterness, its factual!!
Vegas took advantage of it, and good on them, i love that team and the way its run!

 

[myleafs]

not downplaying at all... they were given a great hand, and a leg up on every other team in the league, and then they were completely cut-throat with zero loyalty to any player.
when a player they wanted because available as UFA or via Trade they moved whatever they needed to get them, and then unceremoniously dumped those guys to get even better players
i.e. Suzuki to get Patches, then dump patches to fit Eichel under the cap ...Fleury dumped after being the face of the franchise and single handedly getting them deep into the playoffs because they wanted Lehner to replace him
I'm honoring LV for their ability to not care at all about any players feelings, or loyalty to them. but only to winning

You say your not downplaying their accomplisments but then downplay their accomplishments in the next breath. Why is it so hard to just acknowledge they built their team better than ours and that Dubas had all the resources and assets to build a similar team if he wanted? He didnt and chose to go down his way.

 

[Menzinger]

Interesting article, though nothing new here.

Will be interesting how salary cap projections end up shaping contracts signed this offseason.

 

[PromisedLand]

LV, FLA, TB, DAL, all have significantly less taxes across the board than most, if not all, of the CDN teams.

Those teams have a much easier time attracting talent with team-friendly contracts. The CDN teams will always get hosed in contract negotiations.

You are correct but it does not seem to be a problem for the guys who come here for peanuts. It's only the stars that hose us and they hose us to the max. At this point the Leafs are a joke top down.

Eichel signed for 8 years at 10 AAV too. Just FYI

How many of other teams get additional revenue from the new gambling advertisements (Matthews) and Skip the dishes (Marner); and other revenues.

Front loading the contract also allows for higher rate of return on sound investments (property, funds, etc.).

Imagine you can invest 10 million right away or invest 1 million each year for 10 years.

Leafs have additional benefits that other franchises do not including but not limited to additional avenues for generating income (ex: advertisements); top notch health facilities, nutrition program, private jet to fly to destinations, etc.... that have direct impact on player performances.

 

[Dekes For Days]

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Yes, and the cap space for him came from the departure of JVR, Bozak, and Komarov, like I said.

 

[mydnyte]

You say your not downplaying their accomplisments but then downplay their accomplishments in the next breath. Why is it so hard to just acknowledge they built their team better than ours and that Dubas had all the resources and assets to build a similar team if he wanted? He didnt and chose to go down his way.

its not even close to the same as any other team in the league,
Vegas is built better, but, they had advantages that only Seattle has had (to a much lesser extent because they are still in the intro phase of their franchise).
saying this doesnt downplay their accomplishments, its factual.

Vegas got to pluck some core pieces in the expansion draft, which was unlike any previous expansion draft, and able to 'design' their team. no other team in the league had a head start like they did.
Vegas was like fantasy hockey team, picking and choosing from a pretty good pool of talent.

this is not downplaying their accomplishments either, because they had an unprecedented head start compared to previous expansion drafts.

However they retooled a few times bringing in elite talent, and then shipping out high end/priced assets and prospects to find a perfect fit and they got it right.

Before Vegas the last expansion rules were:
Each existing club was permitted to protect either (i) up to five defensemen, nine forwards and one goaltender OR (ii) up to three defensemen, seven forwards and two goaltenders.

for Vegas:
Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

So, yea, a ton more players were exposed, especially on Defense, and in Net for Vegas to start off with.
Dubas built a crappy Defense, and that is what has cost us year after year, but, we continually blamed it on the goalies, and kept retooling the forwards.
Dubas screwed up there.

nothing I said downplays what Vegas did. if Dubas had the courage to sign Petro and rebuild the Defense, we wouldnt be having this conversation. Dubas screwed up, Vegas didnt

 

[therealkoho]

Do you mean the Florida team that made it to the final and just finally ran out of steam……those guys

I'm pretty sure those are the guys he means

 

[NVious]

Interesting article, though nothing new here.

Will be interesting how salary cap projections end up shaping contracts signed this offseason.

I'd love to see him get shipped to that dump in Arizona.

I genuinely think it would be awesome for everyone;
Glassews can put up 50-60 meaningless goals and if they even make the playoffs that's their cup anyways (all 1000 of their fans can celebrate), he can even be injured as much as he wants, closer to his man Biebs
Leafs get fresh young talent that is cost effective and actually has hunger to prove themselves/win

 

[therealkoho]

I guess your bigger, stronger, better team fizzled out?

How effective have Tkachuck and Barkov been in the finals.
Maybe we could get ourselves some of those types of playoff warriors!!!

Tkachuk is hurt, and Barkov who's also hurt was playing at Matthews level playoff intensity.

Now imagine what Vegas would have done to the Leafs. Sweep.

A Bryan McCabe level ragdoll to be sure

 

[therealkoho]

Auston is arguably the best forward to ever play for the Leafs. What they sign him for isn’t the problem.

That being said, what others on the team then expect for salary will be the problem.

Do you not remember Darryl Sittler, he'd eat Matthews lunch

 

[therealkoho]

I don't know if I blame Dubas anymore for the contracts.

He let Nylander sit out until the last day and looked like he was poised to do it with Marner too, but it was well noted that Shanahan intervened and joined the talks too before a deal got done...

I don't think the guys at the top have any kind of stomach for turmoil or disruption. They want the money printer to go brrrrrrrr and don't care about the cup at the cost of regular season success.

Please provide any link (you may include any no mind twitees) that Shanahan intervened, except to say he wants the boys to show loyalty and take hometown discounts. Do you think Shanny was holding a gun to Kyle's head when he supposedly promised a nudge nudge wink wink NTC to Will?

Cmon man Dubas managed the Leafs like the guy who steps on a rake, bang right between the eyes

 

[egd27]

Please provide any link (you may include any no mind twitees) that Shanahan intervened, except to say he wants the boys to show loyalty and take hometown discounts. Do you think Shanny was holding a gun to Kyle's head when he supposedly promised a nudge nudge wink wink NTC to Will?

Cmon man Dubas managed the Leafs like the guy who steps on a rake, bang right between the eyes

First it was Hunter's bad drafts, then Lou was incompetent, then Babcock, and now it's Shanahan's interference.........everyone but Kyle

 

[myleafs]

not downplaying at all... they were given a great hand, and a leg up on every other team in the league, and then they were completely cut-throat with zero loyalty to any player.
when a player they wanted because available as UFA or via Trade they moved whatever they needed to get them, and then unceremoniously dumped those guys to get even better players
i.e. Suzuki to get Patches, then dump patches to fit Eichel under the cap ...Fleury dumped after being the face of the franchise and single handedly getting them deep into the playoffs because they wanted Lehner to replace him
I'm honoring LV for their ability to not care at all about any players feelings, or loyalty to them. but only to winning


Lol, were you alive when the NJD has their expansion draft ...they couldnt beat an AHL team.
their expansion draft looked more like an ECHL team.
Vegas and Seattle were given golden tickets, that isnt bitterness, its factual!!
Vegas took advantage of it, and good on them, i love that team and the way its

 

[darrylsittler27]

Do you not remember Darryl Sittler, he'd eat Matthews lunch

Mathews isn't as good as Eichel who makes $10 million. I think it's time to move on from this top 4. They have done nothing but get rich wasting our time.I don't even see the pt of watching the reg season. $14 million for 85 pts..see ya

 

[Racer88]

its not even close to the same as any other team in the league,
Vegas is built better, but, they had advantages that only Seattle has had (to a much lesser extent because they are still in the intro phase of their franchise).
saying this doesnt downplay their accomplishments, its factual.

Vegas got to pluck some core pieces in the expansion draft, which was unlike any previous expansion draft, and able to 'design' their team. no other team in the league had a head start like they did.
Vegas was like fantasy hockey team, picking and choosing from a pretty good pool of talent.

this is not downplaying their accomplishments either, because they had an unprecedented head start compared to previous expansion drafts.

However they retooled a few times bringing in elite talent, and then shipping out high end/priced assets and prospects to find a perfect fit and they got it right.

Before Vegas the last expansion rules were:
Each existing club was permitted to protect either (i) up to five defensemen, nine forwards and one goaltender OR (ii) up to three defensemen, seven forwards and two goaltenders.

for Vegas:
Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

So, yea, a ton more players were exposed, especially on Defense, and in Net for Vegas to start off with.
Dubas built a crappy Defense, and that is what has cost us year after year, but, we continually blamed it on the goalies, and kept retooling the forwards.
Dubas screwed up there.

nothing I said downplays what Vegas did. if Dubas had the courage to sign Petro and rebuild the Defense, we wouldnt be having this conversation. Dubas screwed up, Vegas didnt

You are correct. They already retooled and shipped out high priced talent to bring in better talent, probably for a better price.
We however just continue to run the same crap over and over with the same crappy results .
It’s like the Leafs management and coaching staff is paralyzed and that starts from Shannyright on doesn’t to Keefe.

 

[mydnyte]

You are correct. They already retooled and shipped out high priced talent to bring in better talent, probably for a better price.
We however just continue to run the same crap over and over with the same crappy results .
It’s like the Leafs management and coaching staff is paralyzed and that starts from Shannyright on doesn’t to Keefe.

exactly ...you cant have a friendship with your players, or have sentimental value with anyone.
i.e. when Vegas wants a player, they get them, and move out whoever to get it done.
mind you, their prospect cupboard is pretty bare as a result, but, the Cup fits in there pretty good.

 

[authentic]

Mathews isn't as good as Eichel who makes $10 million. I think it's time to move on from this top 4. They have done nothing but get rich wasting our time.I don't even see the pt of watching the reg season. $14 million for 85 pts..see ya

Lol, Matthews is better than Eichel, don't kid yourself

 

[TOGuy14]

Please provide any link (you may include any no mind twitees) that Shanahan intervened, except to say he wants the boys to show loyalty and take hometown discounts. Do you think Shanny was holding a gun to Kyle's head when he supposedly promised a nudge nudge wink wink NTC to Will?

Cmon man Dubas managed the Leafs like the guy who steps on a rake, bang right between the eyes

Trying to find some articles but it has been a long time.

I seem to recall them getting into training camp time and there being some sort of deadlock (with Dubas apparently fine with a holdout) until Shanny swooped in to play good cop and a deal got done quickly.

Either way we will see in short order who negotiates better deals as all three are looking for a raise now

 

[Stamkos4life]

LV, FLA, TB, DAL, all have significantly less taxes across the board than most, if not all, of the CDN teams.

Those teams have a much easier time attracting talent with team-friendly contracts. The CDN teams will always get hosed in contract negotiations.

What other city offers the same amount of sponsorship opportunities as Toronto?

Also, from what I've heard, the tax argument is overblown.

 

[ToneDog]

What other city offers the same amount of sponsorship opportunities as Toronto?

Also, from what I've heard, the tax argument is overblown.

Which teams are giving out sizeable bonus and not getting much in return in AAV or playoff results ??