Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96

Offtheboard412

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The adjusted stats people are insufferable

The entire premise of adjusted stats is that talent is inherently flat across time and space and the only way to judge a player’s performance is to normalize them against another random year in the league.

It makes literally zero sense.

Talent is not normalized, and there are too many variables to try to calculate what an ‘equivalence’ is in point scoring or goal scoring.

Go and tell people that Ken Dryden is the greatest goalie of all time because he put up the numbers he did in a much higher scoring era than Hasek, and watch everyone’s head explode saying “no, you can’t do that!”

The premise that adjusted stats are based on is inherently and massively flawed. It’s also extremely arbitrary and ignores talent gaps in the league.

you can’t account for every single variable that would cause a rise or fall in league scoring.

TOI? 3 on 3 overtime? No ties? Shootouts? Power play TOI? Line mates? Officiating? Two line pass, etc etc etc

We have the stats that we count and those are the only ones that matter. f*** adjusted stats, they’re idiotic



Talent in the league is the highest it’s been in 30 years.

That’s why scoring is up, as it should be.



Goals scored in 2023-2024 also count the same way they did in 2014-2015

Adjusted stats have their problems and are far from perfect. And yes it is especially annoying when people treat them as gospel. But scoring going up is not only because of the talent level in the league. There was an immediate jump in scoring following the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons that coincided with restrictions placed on goalie equipment. There was another jump in scoring following the 20/21 season, and there are a number of factors at play but the most significant seems to be the improvement in power play efficiency seen across the league.
 

Strangle

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Adjusted stats have their problems and are far from perfect. And yes it is especially annoying when people treat them as gospel. But scoring going up is not only because of the talent level in the league. There was an immediate jump in scoring following the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons that coincided with restrictions placed on goalie equipment. There was another jump in scoring following the 20/21 season, and there are a number of factors at play but the most significant seems to be the improvement in power play efficiency seen across the league.

Cool

What years did McDavid and Matthew’s enter the league?
 

Offtheboard412

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Cool

What years did McDavid and Matthew’s enter the league?

McDavid 15/16 and Matthews 16/17

If you're insinuating that 2 players are responsible for a jump in scoring league wide then I'd say your argument is much sillier than the idea of adjusted stats. We saw McDavid's first 3 seasons in the lower scoring league, he was fantastic, arguably the best player in the world by his second season and yet he was only managing to score around 100 points. Matthews had a fantastic rookie season scoring 40 goals, but his point totals weren't anything amazing as he finished with 69 (niiiice) his rookie year and was a little above a point per game pace for his first 3-4 years.
 

Strangle

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McDavid 15/16 and Matthews 16/17

If you're insinuating that 2 players are responsible for a jump in scoring league wide then I'd say your argument is much sillier than the idea of adjusted stats. We saw McDavid's first 3 seasons in the lower scoring league, he was fantastic, arguably the best player in the world by his second season and yet he was only managing to score around 100 points. Matthews had a fantastic rookie season scoring 40 goals, but his point totals weren't anything amazing as he finished with 69 (niiiice) his rookie year and was a little above a point per game pace for his first 3-4 years.

The talent drives the league

Gretzky/lemieux? Highest scoring era ever. Not a coincidence
 

Rants Mulliniks

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This lead is huge don’t get me wrong. It’s one of the best years so far all time. The discussion was about if he gets 60 in another year but doesn’t win the Rocket
I wasn’t referring to this year. The gap between him and number two since he started is way bigger than people realize. You can see it in his goals vs ice time and opportunity.
 

Offtheboard412

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The talent drives the league

Gretzky/lemieux? Highest scoring era ever. Not a coincidence

Except league goals per game went down during their careers. Guess they drove it down. And no it didn't happen after their prime years, by 1986 it was already dropping. Anybody with a basic understanding of math and statistics can understand that 1 or 2 players can not have that kind of affect on scoring in a league with 500+ skaters.
 

NoName

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He is on a heck of a heater here! Breaking that 70 goal milestone is looking more and more likely.
 

BurnabyJoe7

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Already one of the best regular season players to ever play the game in our lifetime. Expecting another quick playoff exit this year which is good so he can recharge and aim for 50 in 50 next season.
 
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Squiffy

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Pretty cool. It's fun to watch, I think probably for most of us. I'm a Leaf fan so obvious bias is obvious. But I remember hating Brett Hull and yet still tuning in to highlights to see what he did, hating and appreciating, both these things can be true at same time.
 
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